Mary and the Saints – for Protestants

mary and the saints

By Charlie Johnston

I was in my early 20s when I went to my first Catholic Mass as a worshipper. Oh, I had been to many in my teens as a hired trumpet player, but the musicians in the choir loft don’t follow the same rules as the regular worshippers as far as standing, kneeling and sitting. For a lifelong Protestant, attending your first Mass is a very baffling disorienting affair. People just spontaneously stand up, or sit down, or kneel, or talk back to the priest in unison for no reason you can quite fathom. Within about 10 minutes of the beginning of Mass, I found a woman near the front row who seemed to know what she was doing – so I just determined to watch and do whatever she did.

A few years after my conversion, I was at a wedding Mass where there were a lot of baffled Protestants. About 15 minutes in I realized, with a little irony, that some of them were carefully watching me. Now, apparently, I was the guy who looked like he knew what he was doing. I must confess, every time I am at a Mass that I know has drawn a lot of Protestants out, I have to fight back the temptation to do a cartwheel in the aisle – just to see how many do one with me.

Cradle Catholics cannot imagine how disorienting and baffling even the liturgy is to lifelong Protestants. Even more puzzling is the Catholic devotion to various saints and to the Virgin Mary, the Mother of Our Lord. Even the language of faith can be perplexing, for often the two camps mean different things while using the same words. Throw in that Catholics often have a hard time explaining what, exactly, they believe, much less why they believe it – and that many Evangelical Protestants have often been told some pretty absurd caricatures of what Catholics profess and it is a wonder the encounters are not even more awkward and confused.

Now, I am not going to discuss everything that Catholics do not believe here that many think we do. I will also note from the outset that some Catholics abuse what the Church teaches in ways that help foster misconceptions about what the Church actually teaches. I am only going to focus here on Mary and the Saints – and what the Church actually proclaims.

Many Protestants believe that we worship Mary, in particular, and the saints to a lesser extent. I know – that’s what I used to believe, because that’s what everybody said. To the contrary, when we pray to a saint, including Mary, we are asking them to pray for us, usually for specific intentions. Everyone of faith, Protestant or Catholic, asks their friends to pray for them. It is so common and well-accepted no one disputes the propriety of it. Many Protestants only count those on earth among the communion of the faithful and, thus, properly to be asked for prayers. Catholics consider all the faithful, both in this world and in the next, to be among the communion of the faithful. If it is proper and fruitful to ask friends here to pray for you, how much more fruitful to ask those who already behold the Face of God?

Some argue, though, that it is improper to ask those who are dead to pray for us. Yet in Luke 20:38 and Mark 12:27, Jesus notes that Moses called God the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob – and that He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for all are alive to Him. If all the faithful are alive to God – and Jesus says they are – then it is at least as good to ask St. Peter to pray for you as it is to ask your cousin, Peter, to do the same. That is properly what Catholics are called to do.

We do not worship any of the saints, including Mary. Rather, together with all the saints, we worship the One God alone, the Holy Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Contrary to the belief of many, including many Catholics, the Catholic Church has no power whatsoever to “make” saints. That power belongs to God, alone. The power the Church does have is to recognize infallibly a small handful of the saints God has made. A person is not honored by being recognized as a saint here. If he is a saint, he already has received all the honor he may ever receive by being called to join the heavenly host. The honor is less meaningful to the saint than it would be to give a King a participation certificate for attending a pancake breakfast. That does not mean it is a matter of indifference to the saint involved, for his love still calls him to the same thing it did while he walked this earth: call his fellows to the joy and peace which is in Christ. That takes us to why God chooses to reveal some saints to us in the first place. It is not for their sake, but for ours.

Saints come in all shapes and sizes. There are those whose lifelong purity and steadfastness are breathtaking and astounding. But to limit saints to icons of improbable virtue is an error, if a common one. More often, their sanctity is demonstrated by their transcendence of their own flaws and limitations through their love of God, manifested through their love of those around them. Oh, how I would that people would read good biographies of the saints! St. Francis, that great icon of poverty, purity and love of the poor, was once a wealthy, reckless dandy. St. Augustine was a cynical manipulator of public opinion and a lusty rake in his early life. St. Mary Magdalene was once a prostitute. Saints are often portrayed as universally soft-spoken, gentle souls. But many were lions – and often irritable lions at that. St Teresa of Avila was known for her tart tongue. St Catherine of Sienna was not shy about directing and cajoling Popes, though she was discreet about it. That popular modern saint, St. Padre Pio, was often abrupt and scathing – even as he submitted with humility to errant efforts by his superiors to suppress his spirituality and charges of fraud and humbug from critics.

Among the saints can be found virgins and those notable for the abundance of their progeny, peasants and kings, pacifists and warriors. In fact, saints are to be found from almost every walk of life. Some New Age commentators have used this fact as evidence that there are many paths to God, which is a trivialization of what is true. What is true is that there are many trails to the single path that leads to God, which is the way of love. Love is the only motivation strong enough to sustain a noble purpose through trials, hardships and even martyrdom. God gives each person a unique personality, then intends that authentic personality to be used for a unique mission in His service to His people. For each fundamental quality of a man, there is a disordered and a properly ordered manifestation of that quality. God has uses for a passionate man, but passion can easily manifest itself as cruelty or lustfulness. God has uses for a soul of notable purity, but even that can degenerate into self-righteousness and an arid sterility. Weighted down by the burden of original sin, we are constantly tempted to use our talents to serve ourselves and our own appetites. Transformed by love of God, the saints use those talents in service of their neighbor, which they love in the image of God. They often struggle with the old disorder, but progressively live service with ever greater fortitude and resolve. The sinner constantly asks, “What about me?” The saint constantly seeks to hearten those around him. A pretender can – and often does – use the forms of piety for mere self-aggrandizement, a species of blasphemy. A saint does not hesitate to get his hands dirty to bring the hope of God to those furthest from Him. A pretender is sensitive to any hint of insult to his imagined dignity. A saint is impervious to any slanders seeking to keep him from caring for those around him. Whatever he says, a pretender is always looking inward, concerned about what events mean for him. A saint is always looking upward to God and outward to the needs of those around him.

The great variety of saints can help hearten us that whatever the nature of our authentic personality, God has use for it. We can find friends among the saints, people who shared trials and temptations similar to our own. We can ask for their prayers and guidance just as we would a trusted, bosom friend. We can find inspiration in how they handled similar troubles – and hope in how they transcended them by trusting to God.

If there is so much variety among the personalities of authentic saints, what is the heart of sanctity, the visible sign? I long contemplated that. The focus I settled on was St. Joan of Arc. Technically, she was not a Christian martyr. She fell into the hands of an enemy power. Though a corrupt Bishop was used as the means to condemn her, she was condemned for having defeated England, not for her faith. She was often prophetic, but her prophecies were wrong almost as often as they were right. Oh, the ones that were right were so improbable it was comparable to choosing the exact right lottery numbers six out of ten tries – a margin of error anyone would gladly accept for such stakes. So what was it that revealed her sanctity?

I came up with an answer that struck me in considering the great prayer of Mary, the Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55). In most English-language Bibles, the first line is translated as, “My soul magnifies the Lord.” Think of that. At its most basic, every saint ultimately becomes a pure lens through which our vision of the Lord is magnified more clearly. The holier the saint, the more pure the magnification.

The French people were disheartened, dispirited, given over to despair as the 100-Years War appeared it would end in the extinction of the Nation of France. When Joan appeared, this dispirited rabble was infused with new heart, new hope, new resolve. Her soul magnified the Lord – and the people felt the effects of it. But there were others who felt it, too, the self-promoters, those whose field of vision never rose above their own temporal ambitions and covetousness. Some of those, even, were to be found in the French Court. They all hated Joan with an irrational fury, constantly trying to pull her down. There is nothing that so infuriates a fraud as to be confronted with the real thing. That is the heart, the visible evidence of sanctity. A saint’s soul magnifies the Lord, giving new heart to those who have lost heart, while infuriating those who are absorbed in themselves and their petty ambitions. The Lord speaks through His saints. His sheep recognize His voice in them and rejoice. But satan’s goats recognize His voice in them, too, and rage at them.

No one is closer to Our Lord than His Mother. She lived the sorrow of His passion with Him, at His feet – and a sword pierced her soul. (Luke 2:35). As Jesus was dying on the Cross, He committed His Mother to His beloved disciple, John – and committed John, the Church, to the care of His Mother. (John 19:26).

Throughout the ages, Mary has prayed unceasingly for her children, the Church – and all of her children have recourse to her. She busies herself constantly running out to greet people, encouraging them to come on in, come in to the warmth and safety of Her Holy Son. Most Protestants think the Rosary is a worshipful devotion to Mary. It is not; it is an extended contemplation of the Life of Christ alongside Mary, through her loving heart. A full Rosary goes through four sets of mysteries, each of which contemplates some aspect of the life of Our Lord.

As I studied the history of Christianity in depth I was surprised to learn that the line, “Holy Mary, Mother of God…” was not incorporated into the Hail Mary to underscore Mary’s motherhood. Rather, there was a great heresy raging that claimed that Jesus was just a man, a created being Who achieved divinity by His righteousness. Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ is True God and True Man. The Eternal, Uncreated Son chose to take on our humanity at a particular point in time, to suffer and die in that humanity, that all might be saved. People often note that Jesus is the Son of God. That is absolutely true, but because of our limitations, it sometimes blinds us to the fact that it is equally true that the Eternal Father is the Father of God. They are One. We also stumble because our experience tells us that the child proceeds from the parents. This is true except in the case of Christ, the one case in history in which the parents proceeded from the Son. The phrase, “Holy Mary, Mother of God…” was incorporated into the “Hail Mary” to underscore Christ’s divinity, not Mary’s motherhood.

Even knowing these things, and even having fallen in love with the Catholic Church, my old Evangelical Protestant training filled me with dread at the sound of the phrase, “Holy Mary, Mother of God…” in the “Hail Mary.” Intimations of blasphemy would fill my head and whiffs of brimstone fill my nostrils at it, choking it off in my throat, so I had decided that would not be a devotion I practiced. But at my reception into the Church, one of the gifts was a beautiful, elegant Rosary. I knew that a sense of dread was often God warning us away from something sinful. But I also knew it could be used by satan to keep us from something fruitful. So I added a new tool of discernment. I prayed, telling God that He knew I loved Him…that this Church had been such a wonderful and unexpected gift that I was going to pray this Rosary for three weeks – and depend on Him to show me whether it was proper or not. If it was not, I would quietly refrain from ever saying it again. Those next three weeks were an unprecedented period of extravagant and improbable graces and blessings. Ever since, like the beloved disciple, I have joyfully followed the Lord’s command to take His Mother into my heart as my mother.

And that is why I say, with profound gratitude and joy,

Hail Mary, full of grace,

The Lord is with you.

Blessed are you among women,

And blessed is the Fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God,

Pray for us sinners,

Now, and at the hour of our death.


About charliej373

Charlie Johnston is a former newspaper editor, radio talk show host and political consultant. From Feb. 11, 2011 to Aug. 21, 2012, he walked 3,200 miles across the country, sleeping in the woods, meeting people and praying as he went. He has received prophetic visitation all his life, which he has vetted through a trio of priests over the last 20 years, and now speaks publicly about on this site. Yet he emphasizes that we find God most surely through the ordinary, doing the little things we should with faith and fidelity. Hence the name, The Next Right Step. The visitations inform his work, but are not the focus of it. He lives in the Archdiocese of Denver in the United States.
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74 Responses to Mary and the Saints – for Protestants

  1. Mary Anne says:

    Okay…tears. Just beautiful Charlie. Thank you.

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  2. Kati says:

    Very beautifully done, Charlie. I am going to copy this and use it with our RCIA class, if that is OK with you. 🙂

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    • charliej373 says:

      Kati, I put no copyrights on anything. Use this – and anything else here you find useful – anywhere you want. Print it up if you want. My concern is getting the word out and sparking hope by whatever means possible. It is refined for you to ask permission – and gives me the chance to do what I like to do occasionally, which is to let all know that they can use this material whenever and wherever they want, distribute it to as many people as they care to. May God be proclaimed at all times in all places that all might find the joy and hope and peace that is in Him.

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      • janet333 says:

        Hi Charlie…Sorry I don’t know whether this has been answered and I’ve just missed it..but how did you first know that it was right to embrace the Catholic Church? Was God telling you to do this in a small voice, or was it so loud that you sat up and had to take notice? It must have been so hard for a Protestant to even consider the Catholic Church because of the mistaken belief that we practice idolatry.

        God Bless You.

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        • charliej373 says:

          Actually, it has been asked before, but yours hit at just the right moment. No, neither God nor my angel never told me…but you asking suddenly inspired me that this is an excellent way of showing a little how God works in these things. So I will write a piece on my conversion story. I am grateful that I was never told, that I had to find my way, for the search helped show me the authentic and deep faith of many of the Protestant denominations I sampled and left me with a healthy admiration for them, even as I moved on to another. It gave me a sense of what a profound pilgrim journey this is for all of us…and an empathy for the yearning we all feel for God.

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  3. audiemarie2014 says:

    Thank you, Charlie. You really are a teacher, as well as our Sherpa. I’m going to print a few copies of this.

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  4. Mona says:

    I thank you Charlie. I have patiencly waiting for this for a couple of monthts. I will translate it and copy it and share it whith my protestant friends. I have a DVD i my car whith the rosary prayed by the visionarys in Medjugorje, in english. I often hear it while driving to or from work. So I now can recite this prayer in english and danish. My heart grows warm while I do it. My love for Mary is obvius and it is growing. She has in many ways called me over the years, and I feel safe knowing her. I have been in Medjugorje 2 times, and if it is possible I will take the trip once more in 2015.

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    • Mona says:

      I am yust now reading The Life Of Jesus Christ – And Biblical Revelations of Anne Cathrine Emmerich. Volume one of four.. She describes that Mary also is the result of a Immaculutae Connceptuion. It is news for me. Do you know anything abaut that?


      • charliej373 says:

        Mona, great question. The Immaculate Conception refers to Mary, not Jesus. I forgot that before I converted, I always assumed it referred to Jesus, conceived without sex. It applies to Mary only, and is in reference to her conception without the burden of original sin. She was conceived in the normal way of sexual union between her parents, but the Lord relieved her of original sin, that He might prepare her as a pure vessel for His coming.

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        • E. Allison says:

          “….but the Lord relieved her of original sin, that He might prepare her as a pure vessel for His coming.”

          Indeed. A vessel so pure, that scripture infers that Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant! When your Protestant friends say, “Nowhere in scripture is Mary referred to as the Ark of the Covenant! No way!” I have had that very thing said to me. But those whose hearts are not hardened will see it when they are shown.

          Thee is a very interesting parallel between 2Sam and the Gospel of Luke.

          2Sam 6:2-3 – 2 Then David and all the people who were with him set out for Baala of Judah to bring up from there the ark of God, which bears the name “the LORD of hosts enthroned above the cherubim.” 3 They transported the ark of God on a new cart and took it away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab, were guiding the cart,
          Luke 1:39 – During those days Mary set out and traveled to the hill country in haste to a town of Judah,

          2 Sam. 6:5 – while David and all the house of Israel danced before the LORD with all their might, with singing, and with lyres, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
          Luke 1:41 – When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit,

          2 Sam 6:9 – David became frightened of the LORD that day, and he said, “How can the ark of the LORD come to me?”
          Luke 1:43 – And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord* should come to me?

          2 Sam 6:15 – David and all the house of Israel were bringing up the ark of the LORD with shouts of joy and sound of horn.
          Luke 1:42 – cried out in a loud voice and said, “Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.

          2 Sam 6:11 – The ark of the LORD remained in the house of Obed-edom the Gittite for three months, and the LORD blessed Obed-edom and all his household.
          Luke 1:56 – Mary remained with her about three months and then returned to her home.
          **The word ‘blessed’ is also used 3 times in verses 39-45.**

          Luke is divinely inspired to use the same language to describe Mary, as was used to describe the Ark of the Covenant. Surely, this is not an accident. I also find it interesting that as described in 2 Sam 6:6-7 – 6 As they reached the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah stretched out his hand to the ark of God and steadied it, for the oxen were tipping it. 7 Then the LORD became angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there in God’s presence. Anyone who touches the Ark is struck dead. I believe this supports the Church’s doctrine of Mary’s perpetual virginity. As the Ark of the New Covenant, any man to approach her in that way would be struck dead.

          Lastly, and the clincher, is Rev 12:19 – Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant could be seen in the temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a violent hailstorm.

          What was seen in heaven is the ‘Ark of His Covenant’, not the old Ark of the Covenant. Also, the chapter and verse designations were put in in the middle ages. For centuries, this last verse would have flowed immediately into chapter 12 without interruption.
          Rev 12:1-2 – 1 A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman* clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.a
          2 She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth.*

          No one denies the fact that the child she bore was The Christ. Then how can anyone deny the woman giving birth is Mary?
          The old Ark of the Covenant contained:
          1) Aaron’s staff
          2) manna from the desert
          3) the stone tablets containing the 10 commandments, the word of God

          Mary, the Ark of His Covenant contained:
          1) The one destined to rule the nations with an iron rod (Rev 12:5)
          2) the bread of life (John 6)
          3) The Word made flesh (John 1:14)

          A pure vessel indeed.

          “O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.”

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          • charliej373 says:

            The Ark of the New Covenant is my favorite title for Our Lady. I first heard it used when I was still a Protestant – and even then just adored the formulation. I think most, seeing the magnificent parallel, would appreciate it.

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  5. Barbara Dore says:

    Charlie, you are greatly blessed!!!! let us to thank Most Holy Trinity for creating a wonderful creature, Holy Mary, True mother of Jesus, the Son of God. Rosary beads is very holy…we get spiritual vitamins from saying it daily… It is bought by the Precious Blood of her beloved Son, Jesus who died on the Cross… Praise be to God for ever!

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  6. Alex ireton says:

    I loved this! I’m going to send this out to some of my nonCatholic friends. Just one thing you mentioned, which a lot people think, Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute. Prostitutes are paid for their services where as Mary was very wealthy. She was the sister to Lazarus, Martha, and another sister also named Mary. She lived in the town of Magdalene in a very large house. Her sins were the addiction to sex and materialism. She had many lovers and by the time Jesus casted out Seven demons, the seven deadly sins, from her, she was living with one man. He was a Roman soldier. It sort of sounds like a lot of society today. It took Jesus seven times to rid Mary from her demons because she would go back home and continue her life as before. After the demons were gone and she recognized what her life had been and how offensive she had been to God, she would roam thru the streets of Magdalene crying and lamenting her sins covered in veils. She did this for months. I’m a writer and was going to do book on Mary and did a lot of research on her.

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    • charliej373 says:

      I certainly am not an expert on this, Alex, and it can be a little confusing to keep straight the various Mary’s in the Gospels. But most sources I have read say that Mary, Martha and Lazarus were of Bethany while Mary Magdalene was from the fishing village of Magdala. Actually, this is the first time I have ever heard anyone suggest that Mary Magdalene is the same person as Martha’s sister, Mary of Bethany. Can you offer some links to that?

      That said, I think your interpretation of Mary Magdalene as possibly dissolute rather than an actual prostitute could very well be sound. There were common licentious cults at that day, primarily among pagans but that more than a few Jews participated in, as well. And of course, many reasonable researchers claim that Mary Magdalene was never a fallen woman, at all.

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      • malachi99 says:

        I second your interpretation Charlie. Alex, I’m quite certain that in this case you have been quite liberally drinking from the wells of your imagination in your presenting this material as historically factual 🙂


        • malachi99 says:

          Oh yeah and BTW another masterful piece of writing Charlie. Clear and profound: the hallmarks of all great work.


        • Alex Ireton says:

          As a writer many times I drink from the well. But when I write about biblical charters I stick to scripture and then fill the blanks from tradition or mystical writings like that of Emmerich. You should read bl Catherine Emmerich’s books. Their fabulous. You might Lear something.


      • audiemarie2014 says:

        The account I read that is similar to Alex’ is from Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich’s book, “Mary Magdalen In The Visions Of Anne Catherine Emmerich.” Guess that’s where I also saw the difference in spelling of her name. 🙂


      • Alex ireton says:

        I agree Charlie, it can be confusing. I was very surprised in my research. For instance the vast age difference between Mary and her siblings. Sher was a late life baby for her parents. The fact that her parents died when Mary was three to five years and was raised by servants. I feel that the pleading of Lazarus and Martha to Jesus to heal Mary was they felt guilty about there lack of involvement in Mary’s upbringing. One of the sources for my research was the mystical writings of Bl. Katherine Emmerich. It was inspiration for the movie Pssion on thr Christ.


      • Observer says:

        I believe the info re: the various “Mary’s” and their identities comes via the visions of Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich:
        Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich is profiled in the Catholic Encyclopedia.

        An excerpt from her book.

        1. The Family of Lazarus, Martha and Magdalen

        “The parents of Lazarus [the man Jesus raised from the dead, as told in the Gospel of John 11: 1-45] had in all fifteen children, of whom six died young. Of the nine that survived, only four were living at the time of Christ’s teaching. These four were: Lazarus; Martha, about two years younger; Mary, looked upon as a simpleton, two years younger that Martha; and Mary Magdalen, five years younger than the simpleton. The simpleton is not named in Scripture, not reckoned among the Lazarus family; but she is known to God. She was always put aside in her family, and lived altogether unknown….

        “Lazarus…looked much older than Jesus; he appeared to me to be fully eight years His senior. Lazarus had large possessions, landed property, gardens, and many servants. Martha had her own house, and another sister named Mary, who lived entirely alone, had also her separate dwelling. Magdalen lived in her castle at Magdalum. Lazarus was already long acquainted with the Holy Family. He had at an early period aided Joseph and Mary with large alms and, from first to last, did much for the Community. The purse that Judas [Iscariot] carried and all the early expenses, he supplied out of his own wealth…

        2. Magdalen’s Childhood

        “Magdalen, the youngest child, was very beautiful and, even in her early years, tall and well-developed like a girl of more advanced age. She was full of frivolity and seductive art. Her parents died when she was only seven years old. She had no great love for them even from her earliest age, on account of their severe fasts. Even as a child, she was vain beyond expression, given to petty thefts, proud, self-willed, and a lover of pleasure. She was never faithful, but clung to whatever flattered her most. She was, therefore, extravagant in her pity when her sensitive compassion was aroused, and kind and condescending to all that appealed to her senses by some external show. Her mother had had some share in Magdalen’s faulty education, and that sympathetic softness the child had inherited from her.

        “Magdalen was spoiled by her mother and her nurse. They showed her off everywhere, caused her cleverness and pretty little ways to be admired, and sat much with her dressed up at the window. That window-sitting was the chief cause of her ruin. I saw her at the window and on the terraces of the house upon a magnificent seat of carpets and cushions, where she could be seen in all her splendor from the street. She used to steal sweetmeats, and take them to other children in the garden of the castle. Even in her ninth year she was engaged in love affairs. With her developing talents and beauty, increased also the talk and admiration they excited. She had crowds of companions. She was taught, and she wrote love verses on little rolls of parchment. I saw her while so engaged counting on her fingers. She sent these verses around, and exchanged them with her lovers. Her fame spread on all sides, and she was exceedingly admired.

        But I never saw that she either really loved or was loved. It was all, on her part at least, vanity, frivolity, self-adoration, and confidence in her own beauty. I saw her a scandal to her brother and sisters whom she despised and of whom she was ashamed on account of their simple life.

        More interesting stuff, like:

        3. Magdalen Inherits the Castle of Magdalum



        • charliej373 says:

          Thank you, Observer. I did it a little research on it this afternoon. It is a distinctly minority position, but it is out there. The overwhelming majority goes to Mary of Bethany being a completely different person than Mary of Magdala. I am going to hold to the majority position for now because:

          A) Bethany and Magdala are two entirely different towns. Magdala was a small Roman fishing village, Bethany was a more “upscale” neighborhood, if you will, where some wealthy families lived.

          B) I see nothing Scripturally that links the two – and some effort in the Scriptures to note the fact whenever they speak of Mary Magdalene that it is the Magdalene they speak of, just as it always notes when it is Mary the Mother of James.

          C) The personality of Mary Magdalene is almost always presented as vigorous and bold, even after her reform. That of Mary of Bethany is rather dreamily contemplative.

          D) I NEVER take at face value private revelation as literal history. Even my own, I trust it myself, but do not speak of it as meeting historical guidelines. I have seen some people rebuke others for having gotten something Scripturally wrong when they have merely not followed the favored private revelation of an individual.

          E) While the evidence seems heavily in favor of Mary of Bethany and Mary Magdalene being two distinct persons, I am perfectly content for people who believe otherwise to do so. Though I consider it small, there is enough ambiguity to justify such a conclusion. Just don’t insist that others accept it as the final, defined conclusion, because it is a minority position. And from what I could glean, it looks to be forbidden in the Orthodox Church.


          • Bev says:

            I agree with you Charlie, only Scripture can be quoted as meaningful proof in this situation.

            However, there is one curious aspect to the question. It does not give an answer but provides perhaps some clues that might be pondered.

            In Luke’s Gospel, Chapter 7, just after Jesus sends John’s disciples back to John, we read about the “Pardon of the Sinful Woman” verse 36 and following. It says clearly that she was a sinful woman, and there she has the utter audacity to turn up at a dinner that she was not invited to, carrying an “alabaster flask of ointment”. That phrase is quite significant. She must have had some money to be carrying that around. And whatever it was that she wanted, it clearly over rode her sense of convention, driving her to do something NO ONE would every dream or dare to do. Sobbing and crying, coming up behind Him (so, obviously she knew who He was, and she’s crying, sobbing and crying which means out loud, publicly–why?) Ignoring everyone else, right in the middle of everything, she starts to bathe His feet with her tears. It takes a lot of tears to wash someone’s feet. And why is she crying? Why perform publicly an act that seems bizarre? Then she dries His feet with her hair, for heavens sake! A woman’s hair was her pride and glory and here she is throwing this gesture at Him, and to top it all off, she pours out from the flask, and anoints His feet. Talk about bizarre! You can bet that was the talk everywhere for quite some time. In Simon’s house of all places!

            And as we read, we learn that Jesus explains to Simon and all there what love is. It is the full pouring out, as this woman has done. WHY? BECAUSE SHE LOVES MUCH BECAUSE SHE HAS BEEN, NOT GOING TO BE, HAS BEEN FORGIVEN MUCH. So when the heck did that happen? Forgiven so much she no longer cares what any think of her even Jesus-although she knows that He know the why of this unforgettable, unrepeatable gesture.

            Once this has been done, and used as a teaching, you can bet NO ONE would have the audacity to ever do that or repeat that gesture to Jesus again. If someone did, it would cheapen them, cheapen the gesture, and make that person appear so lacking in humility, so audacious, so foolish, one could only pity them. She has done this in front of everyone, and then, to top it off, Jesus uses what she has done to teach all there. Kind of unforgettable. No name is used. Luke uses no name. No name is needed. Thus there is no embarrassment for the woman.

            She was doing this because SHE HAD ALREADY BEEN FORGIVEN. WHEN? WHEN HAD SHE BEEN FORGIVEN sin that she felt was so heinous that this was the only gesture she could think of to tell Him of her thanks and her explosive love.

            And yet, and yet….another time this anointing is spoken of. Is there any person who is gutsy enough, brazen enough, proud enough to imitate this unspeakably beautiful gesture, this demonstration of a love that transcends words? Well, golly gee! There is! Would you believe the nerve!

            And where is this spoken of? And do we get to know what this woman who has such utter disrespect she imitates what stands as unrepeatable? Darned if we don’t.

            Since it’s at Bethany, maybe her name is Mary who is the sister of Lazarus and Martha. Martha sure felt Mary was transfixed by Jesus. All she was doing was just sitting there at His feet, leaving her to do all the work!

            And, yes, this woman, too, cannot leave Him. She is transfixed with love. Two women so overwhelmed that they both make an identical gesture, or one woman who, for a second time, tries to express her love, using the same wordless gesture she used before. But no longer crying, for a relationship grows, and our love for Him grows.Perhaps they are friends, she a follower, a disciple. And He knows her heart; He knows her overwhelming love.

            There. Matthew, Chapter 26, vs 6 and following…The Anointing at Bethany. Oh! There it is again! John, Chapter 14, vs.3 and following….The Anointing at Bethany. The gospel says that it is just before the betrayal by Judas. And Jesus rebukes him, harshly. As it happens this is also a Simon’s house and the reference is to a woman…unnamed. But this time the woman is not crying . She comes with an alabaster jar of perfumed oil, costly genuine spikenard. And she comes with passion, because she breaks jar, standing behind Him, and lavishly pours the entire jar contents over His hair. Well, freak Judas out! Love isn’t what he thinks of. Money. Good heavens, the cost of that stuff! And the stupid woman just pours it all over Jesus’ hair like it’s cheap oil! The money!

            And is the gesture worth pondering about in our hearts?


      • Elizabeth G. says:


        More on this Sainte Marie-Madeleine:

        She is a recipient of His great mercy, adorer at the foot of Christ, steadfast disciple during the agony of the crucifixion, companion of the Blessed Mother, first chosen among all to witness the resurrection, called Apostle to the Apostles, evangelizer to the Gentiles and patron saint of contemplative life, Provence, France, etc.  What an amazing role model!  I have had a relationship with her for some time now.  Her example at the end of her earthly life inspires me to seek the interior castle as Saint Teresa, the Carmel foundress has described.
        Marie-Madeleine has been misunderstood for centuries thanks to a pope in need of a homily on sin 1500 years ago. Pope Gregory in 591 was responsible for her shameful reputation, which the Church cleared officially in 1969.  All of the stories of a marriage with Christ, or the sacred feminine etc, are false and not part of Catholic tradition.  Her feast day is celebrated by both the Roman and Orthodox Catholic Churches on July 22.

        Stories in Scripture

        Mary Magdalene is a unique figure in Scripture. Even her name is unusual; unlike many of the other women who devoted themselves to following Jesus Christ, she is not linked by name to any of her male relatives. Christ’s female disciples were often identified by their relationship to sons and husbands, such as “Mary the mother of James and Joseph” (Mt. 27:56) and “Joanna, the wife of Herod’s steward Chuza” (Lk. 8:3). It is unclear why the evangelists wrote that Mary was “called Magdalene.” She may have been born in Magdala, a town near Tiberius that was known for its immorality, or perhaps lived there for a time. Her name is listed among the faithful Galilean women who traveled with Christ while He proclaimed the Kingdom of God (cf. Lk. 8:1-3), and she remained with Him until His death and burial.

        The most magnificent story about Mary, however, is told at the end of all four Gospels. After Jesus’ burial, Mary rested on the Sabbath according to the law and waited until early Sunday morning to anoint Jesus’ body, which she expected to find in the tomb. Her sorrow turned into joy when she realized that His body had not been stolen, but that Christ had risen from the dead. She eagerly went to embrace Him, but Jesus gave her a mission: She was to proclaim the good news to the other disciples. Hippolytus (early Church Father and pupil of St. Irenaeus) wrote in the third century that Mary Magdalene’s role in announcing the Resurrection to the Twelve made her an “apostle to the Apostles,” meaning she was a sent or commissioned messenger.

        According to Scripture, we know with certainty that Mary Magdalene followed Christ, ministered to the needs of His Apostles during His public ministry (cf. Lk. 8:3), witnessed Jesus’ death and burial on Good Friday (cf. Mk. 15:40-41), and saw the resurrected Lord on Easter Sunday morning (cf. Jn. 20:1-18). However, Christians recognize that there is more to Mary’s identity as Jesus’ follower. The Catholic Church has traditionally taught that Mary Magdalene is the sinful woman who anoints Christ’s feet with her tears in Luke 7:36-50, and also Mary of Bethany (the sister of Martha and Lazarus).  My favorite story is Luke 10:38-42.

        Martha and Mary.*
        a “As they continued their journey he entered a village where a woman whose name was Martha welcomed him.
        * She had a sister named Mary [who] sat beside the Lord at his feet listening to him speak.
        Martha, burdened with much serving, came to him and said, “Lord, do you not care that my sister has left me by myself to do the serving? Tell her to help me.”
        The Lord said to her in reply, “Martha, Martha, you are anxious and worried about many things.
        * There is need of only one thing. Mary has chosen the better part and it will not be taken from her.”

        Tradition of the Church

        Marie-Madeleine’s discipleship continues after the Resurrction and Pentecost.  She travels to France eventually with her sister, Martha, and brother, Lazarus and others.  After years of evanglizing she is called to live her last 30 years on this earth in silent contemplation with her Lord in a grotto at Sainte Baume, France.  The details of the Church’s devotion to her are many and more information may be found at these websites:

        Her feast day is a huge celebration in southern France every year where her relics are carried through the streets outside her Basilica in Saint Maximin. Her grotto in nearby Sainte Baume is a place of pilgrimage and conversion.  The Dominicaines continue to protect it today. 

        Like all saints, Mary Magdalene’s experience of Christ is a great example for all to imitate. Her role as a disciple and witness to Jesus makes her a powerful intercessor on our behalf. A model of repentance, conversion, obedience, contemplation, adoration and faithfulness, she is a fitting patroness for those who have strayed and come back to the Church-sinful and sorrowful, longing for the love of Christ.

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    • audiemarie2014 says:

      I’ve read that too, Alex, about Mary Magdalene. I am wondering why her name is spelled differently at times too. Either way, she was a loose woman. She is one of my favorite saints, because Jesus loved her and didn’t despise her, as most people would and do, and she repented and was forgiven many times.

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    • NancyA says:

      For what it is worth, I have also read valid suggestions that Magdalene was the same Mary as the sister of Lazarus. I have read similar to what Alex here reports, although not quite as much detail.


    • Barbara Dore says:

      I read the books named ” the poem of Man-God. St Mary Magdalene became a great saint faster than her sister, Martha because she did everything in love for God. Mary had only one sister, Martha and one brother. The legend stated that Mary Magdalene and Martha , also her brother were put in the boat without oars and the boat was drifted to France. They died somewhere in southern France as believed.


      • charliej373 says:

        I also am a lot more open to poetic license in works of fiction, provided it does not contradict defined doctrine. But I think it important for people to remember when they have read imaginative works and distinguish between that and Scripture.


        • Mary A says:

          While Scriptural scholars tend to say Mary of Bethany and Mary Magdalen were different, the (small t) tradition of the Church has always held them to be the same. It should carry some weight in the discussion.


  7. Lois says:

    Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!! This is so beautiful. Our Lady only leads us to her Divine Son. The rosary is the poor man’s bible. To Jesus through Mary. Lois

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    • charliej373 says:

      I like that, Lois. The Rosary is truly a Bible in miniature.

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      • Bev says:

        I read many, many years ago, that the rosary was used by the poorer, uneducated people as sort of exactly that. When the priests and nuns etc prayed the Liturgy of the Hours, once one “round” is completed, all the psalms have been covered–150. The poor used the rosary to focus on the life of Christ and His mother to compensate for the fact that they did not and were not able to memorize all the Psalms. One “round” of the rosary is 50 Hail Mary’s, so to speak. When all three (before Saint John Paul, the Great, added one more set) were said, it was 150 in example of the Psalms. (If this is wrong, blame my brother.)

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  8. radiclaudio says:

    Excellent posting! Thank you again. Your writing made me think of the old saying, “The only real tragedy in life is not becoming the saint God calls us each to be.”

    I pray God continues to rain down on us all His mercy, grace, and the blessings we all need to live in full communion and grace with Him and by doing so maybe someday hear the words all saints hear, “Well done good and worthy servant, you have loved much, come and rest in Me.”

    PS. I recently read Mark Twain ‘ s book on St Joan of Arc. Amazing stuff. 🙂

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    • Kati says:

      I wonder where that old saying came from? ….the one about the tragedy of not becoming saints that we are all called to be? What you say here, radiclaudio, fits very well with what Connie Rossini has written over at RC Spiritual Direction:

      It also reminds me of what the Angel Gabriel told Mary when he said…”…for with God nothing is impossible.” 😉

      I never really thought about this a great deal until recently and now I am really beginning to see that, though this is impossible for us alone, our God CAN be TRUSTED to transform us into saints!


    • Brian says:

      Clemens or Mark Twain, certainly not a noted huge Catholic fan, claimed he dashed off all his books the way he would a piece for the newspaper, (still loved everyone of them!) except for Joan of Arc; he spent over twelve years unpeeling that onion and claims he could have kept doing it for another 12 yrs in her case; try re-reading Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur`s Court as veiled prophesy rather than the usual anti-catholic polemic interpretation given “stateside“; I was really looking forward to his personal papers and archives being opened on the 100th anniversary of his death, per his instructions, but they seemed to have been re-archived under the sanctity of secular scholarship;


      • charliej373 says:

        The greatest authors are often unconsciously prophetic. And they value their craft above all…they may have dunderheaded political or social ideas, but they carefully protect their best work from them. Leo Tolstoy was a literary genius – and practically an incoherent madman in his private – and ever changing social doctrines. I know that Twain often said, particularly late in life, that his “Joan” was by far his favorite of all his works.


  9. Mary A says:

    We have a choir for children, and I made a song for october: to the tune of Frere Jacques: Hail Mary (x2), Full of grace (x2), Christ the Lord is with you (x2), Pray for us, pray for us. Then: Holy Mary (x2), Mother of God (x2), We are all your children (x2), pray for us, pray for us. In rounds it is lovely, and no one even realizes it is Are you sleeping…You can sing it all day long

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  10. Bob says:

    As for the saints, it must be remembered that some cultures have tried to link Catholic saints with their pagan systems which they have kept parts of. I studied, just a bit as I have been part of a deliverance ministry. Voodoo for example, and Voodoo will use saints names and identify them with spirits they allow themselves to be taken over by. The root problem being that they believe that God is so high that they can only have contact with various spirits who they serve. And with some of the South American and Caribbean groups they have maintained some of their pagan customs and integrated the saints, so there are abuses. And some Catholics think they can talk to Mary but are afraid to be intimate with Jesus and God thinking of themselves as just sinners. This is also an abuse as we must all know the love of God for us even though we are sinners.
    As for the Rosary, one saying I heard is this. Every Hail Mary is forming a link in the chain which will bind satan. So while we consider a possible storm coming our little acts of prayer are also contributing to the battle and to the victory we all hope for.


    • Connie says:

      My favorite image I hold of the rosary that I have picked up somewhere is that the rosary is a lasso that ropes in your family! Me living in Texas makes it all the more easier to picture…

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  11. I don’t want to spoil your sense of holy humility, Charlie, but that was really a wonderful writing on the saints and Mary for Protestants! I agree, that’s worth printing and sharing.

    In the “Poem of the Man-God”, by Maria Valtorta (I don’t want to open up any cans of worms here, but having finally read a couple of the volumes for myself, I could see why a lot of people value it), Mary Magdalene is the sister of Martha and Lazarus.


  12. the phoenix says:

    Definitely a well-articulated and worthy solid teaching here, Charlie! I hope this post gets a wider and wider audience!


  13. anne ovari says:

    Thank you so much Charlie for such a wonderful and clear writing on Our Heavenly Mama and the Saints. I am also going to print and share this. I think it is those like yourself that have converted to the Cathlic Faith that can explain it so much better than us cradle Catholics. Blessings to you and everyone here.


  14. Barbara Dore says:

    Our Lady of Kibeho ( approved by our Catholic Church) told the visionaries that the rosary is for everyone, Catholics, Protestants,Christians, Muslims ,Jews and other different religions. They can say it because Our lady loves all her children no matter if they have a different faith. The students with different faiths in kibeho have recited it as well. People of all different faiths is welcome to say the holy rosary. Rosary is very holy, a great gift from God.

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  15. Bonnie C says:

    Thank you, too Charlie! I posted this to my fb page and sent it to my email family and friends. Family who are fallen-away’s to Protestantism, and of course the favorite subject of their dissent is our “worship” of Mary. Not to knock anybody, but I know several Catholics who attended YoungLife including my eldest son who “fell” despite my warnings and pleading. He promised he wouldn’t allow anyone to take him away from his Heritage/Inheritance. I had this discussion with him because my brother did the same thing in the 70’s, High School. They gave up so much.

    I read Anne Catherine Emmerich’s writing or transcripts on the life of Magdalene… According to her visions, Magdalene was wealthy, very indulged by her mother due to her beauty, which lead to her sinful lifestyle. The family of Lazarus, Martha and Mary contributed a lot to Jesus’s mission, again according to A. C. Emmerich’s visions. A beautiful book to read.

    Our Lady is the Ark of the Covenant. Just a tiny glimpse into the way the Jews treated the Ark made of wood and covered with gold, carried around cities to proclaim victory before battle. Let us carry her in our hearts and proclaim victory through her Immaculate Heart! Amen?


  16. Patrick says:

    St. Joan, what a wonderful choice of focus. I ve read much about her, she actually had a great sense of humor. I pray The Lord raise up one of her likes in our country. We should note the timeframe in which she laboured and not be short sighted Americans. If Justice comes to our shores it might be in terms of decades rather than mere years. It’s not too late to walk through the doors of Mercy! Let us embrace the Lords Mercy! The prayer for conversion is always heard! That is why Magdelene is also a great subject of focus here. Due to the misery of our age, we are even more entitled to the Mercy that the heart of Jesus desires to consume. St. Faustina pray for us! Mercy! Mercy! Mercy!

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  17. Mack says:

    Thank you for this beautiful post, Charlie. It’s a wonderful way to approach the saints.
    Last week I was thinking about this, and how St Paul says “Christ lives in me.” So it’s like with Christ living in each of us, he can “take over” so to speak, if we let him. But he always respects our own personalities and works with them. So holiness makes us the best persons we can be. That’s why the saints are so different, and each one brings out a different aspect of Christ who lives in him or her. I forget who said it, but some famous writer wrote that the saints are all uniquely different and beautiful, but sin makes us the same, drab and boring.


    • charliej373 says:

      Man, is that the truth, Mack! Sin is like a communist housing project, all boxy, drab and grey.

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      • Irish7 says:

        Amen Mack and Charlie. Your descriptions perfectly describe the way the absense of God (sin) has made me feel in my bones since I was a small child. Just reading it conjures up the feeling, and fuels my passion to rescue those stuck there.

        Charlie, I fear the answer to this…how will our loved ones who are orthodox and faithful Protestants, but remain skeptical and resistant to Mary, fare in the Storm? My story is similar to yours so I understand the visceral repulsion and intellectual struggle. That said, there does also seem to be a stubbornness or attachment deep within some spirits that I did not have and don’t understand. I have been praying the Untier of Knots novena specifically for this strange resistance.


        • charliej373 says:

          Irish, I had to wait a bit to respond, because I am always deeply tempted to soften this. All faithful Jews, Protestants and Catholics are to be considered full partners in the work before us. But though Our Lord is offended by many things, nothing so offends Him as the general contempt and indifference with which so many who call themselves Christian treat His Mother. It is why He sends her both to guide and ultimately to rescue us in this last reclamation, so that all will know and honor her as He honors her. But already, He will not acknowledge the prayers of those who treat her so until they direct their prayers to Him through her.

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          • “…nothing so offends Him as the general contempt and indifference with which so many who call themselves Christian treat His Mother.”

            I understand how this is such a difficult concept for Protestants, as most converts to Catholicism know, if they came from fundamentalist or evangelical churches. To this day, I still have my anti-Catholic teaching ringing in my ears, warning me that to direct any focus onto Mary (or any other creature) offends God greatly, Who will have no one between us and Him; that Mary is an actual idol — and a dead person not to be prayed to — and that God has to be jealous of any attention Catholics pay to her, because He has always said that He is a jealous God. Protestants therefore see Mary-focus as coming straight from the devil, and, wanting to stay safe in the harbor, avoid anything to do with Mary, as part of their desire to be faithful to God in His Trinity-only.

            It is such a good thing for converts like yourself, Charlie, to write explanations that they will have a chance of being able to hear.

            When converting to the Church, I had to start out my rosaries saying, “IF this be in your will, God…” because those warning bells were life-and-death serious.

            I know that it is all in the name of being cautious and faithful, on the part of Protestants. They think Catholics play too loose with the truth and will have to suffer for it, even unto damnation, by some opinions. It’s one of the toughest hills to climb for most Protestants, to find their way to accepting any focus on Mary. The devil has made a determined job of crushing her, to so many.

            For all of our misunderstandings, Lord, have mercy on us.


          • Irish7 says:

            So I feared. But where is the mercy in that? The insidious seeds of distrust have been planted so deeply into minds and hearts for generations. The offense is not given willfully. Mary, please negotiate with the Father on their behalf.


          • charliej373 says:

            Irish, that troubled me for a long time. But I think the mercy in it is He does not say He will condemn them, only that He will not acknowledge their prayers until the honor His mother – AND He is sending her to visibly rescue us. Some will see sooner, some later, but in the end, any who refuse to see are hopelessly caught in their own will, not God’s. One of my brothers, when he was a little tyke, was determined to stick a butter knife into a wall socket. He would sneak them, My parents would spank him when they caught him a butter knife. Where was the mercy in that? The mercy was in giving him a little pain in order to preserve him from a painful death. I suspect the same principle is at work here. But I appreciate your concern…it is the thing I have struggled the most with in speaking plainly about.

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          • mmbev says:

            It seems clear to me that Jesus obeyed the commandments just as we must. The fourth is quite clear. If He gave His mother to be our mother, we had better obey that fourth commandment, or accept the consequences. If I treated my earth mother with avoidance or contempt, I expect I’d have a few consequences to face about that.


  18. patrick says:

    Pray for us in Chicago. The new archbishop will not deny the Eucharist to pro choice politicians. Trust me we have many pro choice Catholic politicians in this sad State.


  19. Gary says:

    Nothing gives me tears of joy more than a convert to the Catholic Faith.


  20. patrick says:

    Jesus taught the Apostles, suffer the young to come to me. Rather in our day, the young suffer and go to Him all too soon. Dear Lord show us the way out of this.


  21. Pawel says:

    “Holy Mary, Mother of God…” – yes it may seem blasphemous firsthand. Never thought about it before, but yes it makes sense. It is quite likely God stunned not only humans on the Earth but also angels in heaven to decide to have a mom. After all, how do you think Jesus addresses Mary in heaven? I am pretty sure it is “Mom” ( not: “my ex-Mom” or “my earthly Mom” )

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  22. Bev says:

    In the Old Testament there was one who could speak freely before the King and ask for his mercy in a situation. It was …. wait for it….the Queen Mother. With alliances and stuff and such, the king usually had a number of wives (oh, Solomon). and so you could not dare to select one from that number and risk offending all the others and their relatives whom you needed as friends. But…there is always only one queen mother.
    There is specific reference in the Old Testament but I didn’t write it down. It came up in the Bible Study Series “The Great Adventure” by Scott Hahn and Jeff Calvins.

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    • E. Allison says:

      Yes!! This is another wonderful defense of Our Mother. In the Davidic Kingdom, the Queen is not the King’s wife. The Queen is the King’s Mother! If you look at 1Kings, 2Kings, you’ll all the Kings in the line of David listed. But after each, you see, “and his mother was…..”, naming the Queen Mother. Jesus is, of course, a Davidic King. The OT prophets foretold the reestablishment of the Davidic Kingdom with the coming of the Messiah. This includes the heirarchy of that kingdom…. The King (Jesus), The Queen (Mary), The Prime Minister (Peter and his successors). The Holy Catholic Church is the visible earthly Kingdom of God!

      Matthew 6:33 – But seek first the kingdom (of God) and his righteousness,* and all these things will be given you besides.

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  23. Pat Miracola says:

    Amen. Also a convert I too did not understand Mary and feared worshiping her. So after coming into the Catholic Church I avoided anything to do with Mary until I learned about Medjugorje. After reading Wayne Weible’s “The Message”, a new understanding of Mary opened in my heart. Since that time nearly 20 years or so ago ourBlessed Mother has continuously led me to Jesus. As I have learned to trust Jesus in the Divine Mercy, I have grown ever closer to His and our Mother as she teaches me – all of us, the path to her Son. Consecration to Mary only brings you closer to Jesus. We are so blessed! Be not afraid…

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  24. Carlos says:

    Charlie, I enjoyed so much reading this and also the comments. Certainly Our Blessed Mother continues to inspire us to this day. For those who want to learn to defend Our Mother with the Bible, I wrote a small manual you can find here (in English)
    It can be loaded ti your Kindle Reader and also into those fancy new phones just like one loads an app. So when the inevitable “hey did you know Mary had other sons” comes from a Jehovah’s Witness, Protestant, etc. all you have to do is to go to the chapter “Mary and the “brothers” of Jesus” and there you have all the biblical passages and a brief explanation linking them. It has been translated also to
    And Spanish
    Excuse my little “advertising” but this is a good way for those not so familiar with the Bible to show others how to defend the Mother of God.


    • Carlos says:

      Sorry, I did not mean yo post that huge image of the cover, I only posted a link. That must be one of those Amazon’s tricks to advertise.


    • Kati says:

      God bless you, Carlos. You have no idea of how much I can use this in Spanish. We have a very *on fire* Hispanic community here and I can’t get them enough resources in Spanish fast enough. They are fully committed to bringing back their brother and sister Hispanics who have fallen away from practicing the faith or who have been seduced away…particularly through wrong teaching about Mary. The attendance at our recent Thanksgiving Mass was approximately 75% Hispanic. Thank you a ton!


  25. Diane Grose says:

    Being a “cradle Catholic” I was very surprised to read about ” Holy Mary Mother of God” being added to the Hail Mary! I always thought it a great link in showing Jesus was both God & man! I used to say the whole Rosary everyday, but now I say the 5th sorrowful mystery everyday, but I do have to confess that I sometimes do a catch up day! Love your post & God bless you!


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