Love Them All: Fr. Regis Scanlon, O.F.M., Cap.

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By Their Fruits…

By Charlie Johnston

In the late 1950s young Regis Scanlon, a high school student on Pittsburgh’s north side, faced a conundrum. Throughout his childhood, for as long as he could remember, he had wanted to be a priest. But in his freshman year at high school, he discovered girls. He liked them. A lot. A charming and affable young man with a lively wit, Regis started dating. A lot. The problem was, he liked almost every pretty girl he met. He would visibly light up with enthusiasm whenever an attractive woman was near.

Fr. Regis Scanlon, O.F.M., Cap.

Fr. Regis Scanlon, O.F.M., Cap.

An older mentor told him that, should he get married, his wife would not be terribly happy with his enthusiasm over other pretty girls. At one point, he got engaged, but soon recognized the truth of what his mentor had said. Regis did not want to become a scamp who disappointed, or horrors, even betrayed his fiance in a moment of weakness. So he prayed to the Blessed Mother, asking for wisdom and direction. He received a locution of just three words: “Love them all.”

A genuine scamp would have imputed a much different interpretation to that locution than what Regis Scanlon did. For all his lively humor and joy of living, Scanlon is very serious about his faith – and both completely and joyfully orthodox. The engagement was ended amicably. His plans to become a math teacher gave way to a new determination to go back to his first love, the priesthood. From that moment, Scanlon resolved to love all the women in his life both passionately and chastely. In time, he came to love almost all he met with the same passionate and holy vigor.


At first, Scanlon sought to enter the priesthood through the Archdiocesan Program. After several months, though, he recalled how much he had been impressed by the deep prayer life of the Capuchins. For all his life and laughter, Scanlon finds his interior life nourished by deep contemplative prayer, directed to Our Lord through Our Lady. It is, in fact, the unending source of that life and laughter. The Capuchins are widely regarded as the contemplative branch of the Franciscan order.

“Capuchins came to my parish after I had been working there about five months,” Fr. Regis said. “I really wanted more prayer in my life. I remembered the wonderful retreats they had done when I was in grade school.” So he got engaged again, devoting himself to prayer and the active ministry to the poor of the Franciscan Capuchins. Fr. Regis Scanlon was ordained a priest in 1972 in the brown robe of a Capuchin Friar. This time the engagement took.

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Fr. Regis spent 17 years studying Greek, Latin, the Church Fathers, praying, contemplating, preaching and working directly with the poor. In 1989, he was sent to Denver. It soon became obvious he was a priest who was going to make a difference. The unusual combination of a keen mind, restless energy, rigorous orthodoxy and passionate charity made him a unique character – and a forceful one. While working as chaplain to the Missionaries of Charity in Denver, he ministered to patients in the AIDS hospice, served the poor at Seton House, and ministered to homeless women at the Gift of Mary shelter for homeless women. He loved them all. Meantime, Fr. Regis’ reputation as a thinker who could defend the faith in solid theological terms that were easily accessible to laymen grew. Many Catholic Magazines and publications began to publish articles he wrote on Vatican II, the Real Presence in the Eucharist, and fully Catholic answers to the questions that confronted modern times. The more that he wrote, the more publications came calling for him to pen something for them.

In 1995, Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta was seeking someone to give intensive Eucharistic Formation to her nuns. She spoke with a Jesuit Priest with whom she was close, Fr. John Hardon, to ask for recommendations. Fr. Hardon told her that Regis Scanlon, O.F.M. Cap. was the obvious choice. So Mother Teresa contacted Fr. Regis. He formally asked his superiors for permission. Apparently they needed a little quiet, for he says they gave their sanction to the proposal “with joy.” For the next year and a half, he spent time in Africa, Madagascar and Tijuana, conducting retreats for the sisters of Mother Teresa’s Missionaries of Charity throughout the world, often having working breakfasts with Mother Teresa to discuss what was upcoming and review how things were progressing.

Working With Mother Teresa

Having survived the horrors of both the Nazis and the Communists, Pope St. John Paul II made the fullness of the “dignity of the human person” a central thesis of his papacy. Blessed Mother Teresa lived that thesis every day.

Fr. Regis and Blessed Mother Teresa (pdf)

Fr. Regis says that Mother Teresa spoke constantly about the need to defend the unborn. She maintained that, at its heart, defense of the unborn was the defense of the possibility of civilization. “If we kill our babies, who is going to prevent us from killing one another?” she would often ask, making the point that to defend the unborn is not just to defend the unborn, but ultimately to defend all life, including the life of abortion advocates who did not yet understand that their advocacy jeopardized their own future as well as a child’s.

In the most benighted areas of Calcutta, Blessed Mother Teresa would have her nuns pick dying women out of the gutters to carry them back to a shelter to be cared for. Once they got the women inside, they would often have to pick worms out of the open, running sores the dying women suffered from. Fr. Regis says that once an observer asked why they used their fingers to pick out the worms; wouldn’t it be easier to use tweezers? After all, the women were going to die anyway. Mother Teresa said it would be easier for the dying woman to know that God loved her if she knew that she was loved here, in this world, before she died – and love does not use tweezers. They always used their fingers, and the dying women were visibly comforted by that simple human touch.

While Mother Teresa helped show Fr. Regis a new depth to what loving them all actually means, she had a piercingly practical awareness, as well. At the time, Fr. Regis smoked a pipe. In order to be discreet with the nuns, when he needed a nicotine fix, he would tell them he needed to go out and “exercise” a bit, then wander off out of sight.

“Mother Teresa would often sit with me as I ate lunch during that three week period (of preparation to go out in the field with her nuns),” Fr. Regis says. “She would tell me many stories about the sisters and what she wanted me to emphasize when I would go to South Africa and Madagascar. In those days I use to smoke a pipe, but I didn’t want the sisters to know that or see me do it. So at the end of the lunch I would say to Mother Teresa that I was going outside to stretch my legs. She would nod in agreement. Then, I would go behind the building where no one could see me and puff away. One day it was raining and I said the usual ‘I am going out to stretch my legs’ and Mother replied: “Father you can smoke your pipe here today.”

Amusingly bracing to be busted by a saint-in-the-making!

From EWTN to Last Rites

When he got back home to the States, Fr. Regis’ reputation as an effective defender of the faith continued to rise. He went right back to publishing articles in major Catholic and Religious publications, then was asked to tape several series for EWTN. He taped a total of 24 hours worth of material for the dominant worldwide Catholic network, most in half-hour segments. He did a series on “What Did Vatican II Actually Teach?” along with several on “Crucial Questions” and “Catholic Answers.” He went to EWTN’s studios in Irondale, Alabama to tape the programs. You can still see them occasionally, though now they are mostly to be found in the wee hours of the channel’s programming. I was delighted to find a younger version of the Fr. Regis Scanlon I know explaining things to me early one morning from my television after I had come to Denver.

He is thunderingly orthodox in his homilies, but also self-deprecatingly funny. Fr. Regis usually does the Tuesday morning Daily Mass at Mother Cabrini Shrine in Golden, Colorado. If he doesn’t get three belly laughs even during his abbreviated homilies for Daily Mass, it means he is not in his best form that day.

Fr. Regis saying Mass at Mother Cabrini Shrine in Golden, Colorado

Fr. Regis saying Mass at Mother Cabrini Shrine in Golden, Colorado

But he is ferociously serious about sticking with the Truth – and will tell you so instantly. Just before the ugly episode with the Black Mass in Oklahoma City, a communicant who received in the hand walked off with no sign of intending to consume it. Before the man had gotten four steps away, Fr. Regis, his eyes flashing, had stopped the Communion line and said, “Sir…Hey…I need to see you consume that before we can continue here.” Abashed, the man consumed the Host and went back to his seat. (While most such cases are harmless, satanists try to obtain consecrated Hosts by sending adherents into Masses to receive in the hand, then pocket and abscond with it. They won’t have much luck with that plan on Fr. Regis’ watch).

In 1999, Fr. Regis took over as director of Prison Ministries for the Archdiocese of Denver. It was not something he had planned to do – or even was sure he wanted to do. When it was proposed to him, he asked God for a sign, because he really did not think that was what he was supposed to do. Shortly after that, he lost his voice for a time. As it turned out, the loss was caused by an aneurysm in the spot where a defective aorta had been operated on while he was just 17 years old in 1960. Since his voice was impaired for a time after the successful surgery, he figured that was a message from God to stay close to home for a while.

Over the course of the next 11 years, Scanlon directed six deacons, three priests and 70 trained lay volunteers in providing ministry to some 9,500 inmates throughout the Denver area. He said monthly Mass at three state prisons and had volunteers running weekly Communion services in prisons throughout the Archdiocese. He emphasized offering the Sacrament of Reconciliation – or Confession – to Catholic inmates and would sometimes spend days at a prison to see that all who wanted to take advantage of the Sacrament could receive it.

That ministry continued until 2010, when Fr. Regis developed serious new health problems. They were serious enough that most thought they would take him to his eternal reward. His vital systems were shutting down. He was attended by many doctors. When the fourth doctor told him he would not live, he was consigned to a hospice, as all expected the end was near. While confined to that hospice, an idea that had been forming in his head  the whole time of his prison ministry came to the forefront of his thinking. He promised that if he made a miraculous recovery, he would dedicate the rest of his life to this last mission, to bring God’s love to all.

Amazingly, he did recover. His one-time superior, Provincial Superior Fr. Charles Polifka, commented that one night “we were visiting Regis in the hospice and three weeks later he was going out to eat with us.” When he just wouldn’t die and was expressing a plaintive desire for a good pizza, hospice officials eventually took him off the bland prescribed diet and let him eat what he wanted. They weren’t convinced he was going to live, but didn’t quite see what good depriving him of the food he wanted would do.

Fr. Regis gets a twinkle in his eye when discussing the last contact with the social worker assigned to oversee his care. She called and told him she was going to be there and wanted to visit with him. He responded that it was not a convenient time for him. She gently explained that, with his condition, this might be the last chance she would get to see him. So he impishly gave her the address of the IHOP at which he was eating when her call came in. He was shortly released from hospice. His engagement with the grim reaper didn’t quite take.

Walking With Julia Greeley

While running the Prison Ministry for the Archdiocese, Fr. Regis had noticed that there were many programs available to help men – and even more to help women with children. While these were important ministries, there were practically none to help single, unattached, homeless women. About the best they could get was a night in a shelter. In prison, many such women had explained to him how vulnerable to predators they are out on the streets; that their options generally came down to finding a man to take shelter with in exchange for sharing his bed or be subject to much more serious abuse and violence.

It seemed to him that these women needed more than a shelter for a night. That was merely a brief respite from the jungle they faced each day. They needed a way to rebuild their lives, the sort of opportunity that men in similar situations – and that women with children – were regularly getting. He came up with a plan to set up houses in which women could come in, find a real home, get vocational training, and go through a re-integration into the dignity of productive living, ultimately leading to independence. Realizing that many, even most of these women had no functional family at all, Fr. Regis thought the best situation would be to set it up so that these houses became real family homes to the women, that after they had moved on into independence, they could still come back to visit, to share holidays with their old family and new residents. This would give all who came through the doors a real family support structure – and the visiting women would be a very definite sign of hope to new residents just getting started on the road to recovery.

Fr. Regis turned to Julia Greeley as inspiration for what he envisioned. Greeley was born a slave in Missouri in the 1840s. After the Civil War she eventually ended up in Denver, working for the family of William Gilpin, the first territorial governor of Colorado. She converted to Catholicism at some point and devoted herself to caring for the poor – at night after spending the day working as housekeeper, cook and nanny for the Gilpin family.

Julia Greeley

Julia Greeley

She would go around collecting food and clothing from well-to-do families and then, pulling her little red wagon behind her, spend her evenings delivering hope, both the spiritual and concrete kind, to families in need throughout the city. She kept at it until shortly before her death in 1918. Fr. Regis advocates for her canonization and has dedicated his project to her.

He took his idea to Denver’s then Archbishop, Charles Chaput, who encouraged him to carry it out. Chaput has since been appointed Archbishop of Philadelphia. The Archdiocese continues to support the initiative, while Fr. Regis remains enthusiastic – and as the folks in the hospice, the prisons, EWTN, among Mother Teresa’s nuns, and in his own Capuchin order could testify, Fr. Regis’ enthusiasm is a force of nature.

In late summer of 2013 he opened up a pilot house in a Denver suburb which can house five women. He hired a house mother who directs things and shares staff with another project to help give education on basic adult skills, such as time management and goal-oriented planning. He is working to set up vocational partnerships, not only to train the women in useful skills, but to help them get a job as they are ready for it.

The biggest project is a majestic old facility in another Denver suburb which could house up to 40 women. It is not drably institutional. but looks from the street like a stately manor, with several outbuildings and guest houses. It has a distinctly homey feel, but inside has space for classrooms, recreation facilities, and even a chapel. It will ultimately cost over $2 million and still has some zoning hurdles to get through. Fr. Regis has spent time working to raise money and find grants, all through private sources. He will neither solicit nor accept governmental money, because of the inevitable strings attached, strings that often sap the effectiveness of such transformational programs. In any case, he envisions this as a form of family, not a bureaucratic regimen.

“Mother Teresa was opposed to using recruiters, (formally) raising money, or using insurance. She believed we should trust in God for everything. She often said that God has plenty of money – and gives it when we need it to do his work,” Fr. Regis says. But he would be unable to have opened anything in America without insurance. And certainly, if all money comes from God for good works, one of a priest’s prime duties is to encourage people to trust in God for producing good work. So the website for the Julia Greeley Home has a spot where donations can be made through PayPal. He hopes, he prays that with success in Denver, the program of rebuilding lives through building support structures modeled on the family will take root and blossom around the state, then the country, then the world. His ambition is based on instructions he received from above some 50 years ago: “Love them all.”

(Full disclosure: I act as an occasional volunteer consultant to Fr. Regis and the Board of the Julia Greeley Home, helping in small ways to develop plans for fundraising and administration techniques. It is not that Fr. Regis ever twisted my arm. Rather, he is the sort of good-hearted man you just can’t bear to disappoint. So if you are looking for a cause to donate to this Christmas season that you know is sound, take a good look at the Julia Greeley Home. If you don’t do online transactions, you can send a check or money order to : Julia Greeley Home, Inc., 3613 Wyandot St., Denver, CO 80211. All contributions are tax deductible.)


About charliej373

Charlie Johnston is a former newspaper editor, radio talk show host and political consultant. From Feb. 11, 2011 to Aug. 21, 2012, he walked 3,200 miles across the country, sleeping in the woods, meeting people and praying as he went. He has received prophetic visitation all his life, which he has vetted through a trio of priests over the last 20 years, and now speaks publicly about on this site. Yet he emphasizes that we find God most surely through the ordinary, doing the little things we should with faith and fidelity. Hence the name, The Next Right Step. The visitations inform his work, but are not the focus of it. He lives in the Archdiocese of Denver in the United States.
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24 Responses to Love Them All: Fr. Regis Scanlon, O.F.M., Cap.

  1. malachi99 says:

    Great piece, what a man.
    “Love them all”. Nearly choked laughing on my cereal.

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  2. Vladimir Repka says:

    Thank you, Charlie, for this superb article on someone who loves us all. I think I could fit in your description of Father Regis, as I was almost like him in my love for girls… I still love them, but interiorly, since I am a married man with a beautiful family of six kids, four girls, mind you, but that is another kind of love. Someday I will send you a photo of us all. Anyways, I have arranged with my sister in Canada, to send some “dough” as you guys like to say, in support of Julia Greelys House and I will pray she be elevated to the sainthood. The photo of her is amazing. And I will translate this article of yours to at least my kids, my eldest son Bystrik turned 13 just yesterday. He was such a fabulous live gift from our Father on St. Nicolaus day 2001.
    May God give you a good and sound sleep now, we are probably 8 hours ahead of you, timewise. We share the same time as is in Vatican or Medjugorje. Have a peaceful Advent and say Hello to Father Regis and to all you wish to. Oh, I almost forgot, my best priest friends are Cappuchins, one of them prepared us for the marriage, another one served our wedding Holy Mass and baptized our first child.
    Vladimir, Slovakia

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  3. joanp62 says:

    God bless Fr. Scanlon. After my conversion and decision to take my faith seriously, I had a lot of serious sins to confess. One was an abortion when I was 17. My pastor heard my confession and lovingly absolved me. However, I was reading the Catechism and read the part about abortions receiving an automatic excommunication, I was rather upset, thinking I had really been excommunicated all these years and if more was needed than a simple absolution. I called him and he got quite angry and said that “that Catechism was written by a bunch of bureaucrats in Rome, it’s good for nothing-send it to China”.

    Well, this pastor was rather progressive/liberal and maybe thought that was what I wanted to hear. Not so! I wanted him to explain better to me this teaching of the Church, upholding the Church and the Magisterium .

    Thankfully, a few weeks later I was watching Mother Angelica and Fr. Scanlon was her guest. In the conversation abortion and automatic excommunication came up. Then Fr. Regis-always explaining the faith, not dismissing it, said that this latae sentenae (sp?) for abortion ONLY applied if you knew about it in advance. Meaning, as I understood him, that I would only have been excommunicated if I knew about that and still chose to go ahead with the abortion. Since I did not know that at the time it wouldn’t have applied to me. Oh what joy Fr. Regis brought to me that morning through the TV! If only my own pastor had the faith and love of the Church (and perhaps the understanding of Her) that Fr. Regis had, he could have explained it to me weeks earlier and saved me much anguish. God bless Fr. Regis. !!

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    • Mack says:

      Thank you for that beautiful testimony! Truly God’s mercy is above all his works.

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    • patrick says:

      The Lord is the King of Mercy, and Mercy Incarnate. Trust and be at peace dear sister.

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      • joanp62 says:

        I am at peace, I have repented, been forgiven, yet still hating my past sins, of course. Fr. Regis, unbeknownst to him, really did ease my heart. My old pastor thought he was being “pastoral” while dismissing EWTN as harsh, yet it was Mother Angelica and everyone who appeared on that network who brought much love, mercy and healing to so many, I’m sure.


        • charliej373 says:

          I once spoke to a woman, Joan, who had been away from the Church for years. During that time she had engaged in some very serious and flamboyant disorders. She had the misfortune to go to one of those “compassionate, progressive” priests for her first Confession after coming back. She was furious with his cheap and condescending brand of “reconciliation.” She asked if I knew a priest who would “take her serious” and treat her defiance and apostasy with at least similar gravity to what she did. I told her I did…had a very kind priest who was also very serious and I could make arrangements for her to see him. So I drove her down and went to have coffee while they visited. When I picked her up, she looked at me and said it was going to take her at least two weeks to complete her penance. Then she burst into a great, joyful smile and hugged me.

          (I know that, cheap as it might have been, the first confession was validly administered. Technically, she was just confessing to what had happened since that confession. But the priest agreed to hear her full sorrowful tale – and knew she had felt cheated and cheapened by the earlier encounter. He gave her what she needed to begin real healing – and to feel the fullness of God’s forgiveness. Hallelujah!)

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          • Bob says:

            to know God’s forgiveness it is necessary that our sins be taken seriously as genuine offenses against God and His mercy was so seriously taken it took His Son dying for me and for my friends here.

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          • joanp62 says:

            If these “compassionate progressives” only knew. If you wish, Charlie, you can tell my story to Fr. Regis, or show him my comment.


  4. ellenchris says:

    Great article. I hope the Lord lets Fr Scanlon keep on giving his witness in the world a while longer.

    Many, many years ago I was a Lay Eucharistic Minister in a rural church. One Sunday a somewhat odd looking man whom I had never seen before came up to Communion. He looked at me in a funny sort of way. It was not my business to question anybody, so I gave him the Host. He put his hand to his mouth and walked away. Something didn’t feel right so I stopped and looked at him. I could see the Host in the palm of his hand. I stared at him hard (I used to teach 4th grade, so I have that “teacher-look”) He turned and looked over his shoulder at me, and then consumed the Host.

    In the eastern orthodox churches, the priest must know the people who receive Holy Communion and give them permission to receive Him after confession and special fasting. I don’t know what the answer really is, but just handing out Holy Communion anonymously to anyone who shows up does not seem like the best procedure. I have heard that there were some churches in NYC a while ago who had ushers posted in the aisles to make sure that no one was stealing the hosts.

    We live in truly strange times, and there really are folks who worship the darkness and the enemy and who seek to desecrate what is holy. Some of the “bad guys” seem to have greater faith in the Real Presence of Jesus in Communion than Catholics/Christians do. Prayer — reparation — a really careful concern for the Body and Blood of Christ are needed, but maybe what is most needed is a deeper and truer reverence for the Lord Jesus Who gives Himself to us in this way.

    Lots to think about in this article concerning our own next right steps.

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  5. Lois says:

    Isn’t this the same priest who is mentioned as the spiritual director of the person receiving the locutions “locutions to the world” ? Lois


  6. David says:

    Charlie, I sent the Julia Greeley part of this note to almost everyone on my email list. I’m hope’n ta drum up some dough for da good Fadder.

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    • charliej373 says:

      Why thank you, David. I very much appreciate it! I love people who “Go forth…” to bring hope. Fr. Regis has spent his whole life doing that. And he is fearless. Having been given last rites several times, he laughs and asks what he has to be afraid of!

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  7. Gary says:

    What a character.. “Apparently they needed a little quiet,..” I also like that line from Mother Teresa.. “God has plenty of money.”

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    • Vladimir Repka says:

      Hi, Gary,
      I am happz you have some folks over in Centra Europe. If you come to visit, give me a whistle and we can meet and talk over some nonalcoholic Czech Bud…
      Anyways, all the money, gold, diamonds etc. belong to God. We just have to ask concretely what we need and He will give according to His will and plans. Sometimes it is frustrating when we see a need but cannot help or we wish to do something for the glory of the Kingdom (and maybe ours as well) and the money is not comning and not coming… Then we have to search our hearts, right?
      An excewllent way to support some project like e.g. this Julia Greely´s is to give a tithe=10% of any money we earn or get from anywhere to the Lord – be it in the church collection, the poor in the parish (saz zou buz a ton of veggies, fruits, pasta etc. and have it sent anonymously) or support publication of a good Catholic book, magazine, support a family with lots sof kids and pay for their trip to some pilgrim place etc. I cab give you lots of stories how God provided for my family whenever a need arouse. I´ve been doing it for nearly 30 years and never lacked money, especially when I needed it most. Tithing is the Old Testament principle that will never go away as God gave it to Moses and Jesus did not schratch it from the Law, He said He came to fulfill it.
      God will never be outdone in His generosity, love or help. Never. But to imagine when one gets say 1000 bucks he gives a 100 away. How that little devil starts to chip at us like a chipmunk – zou really wanna give so much? Isn´t it too much? Are you crazy? You could buy yourself this and that… One psychiatrist once gave an example of this and said: I started to tithe with 10%. Then the devil tried to oppose my tithing, attacking with wild ideas. So I started to give 15%. Oh, what attacks I got. So I said, Hey you, if you do not stop, I will start to give 25%. Attacks stopped immediately.
      But watch out. God is not a businessman. We could say, Lord, I am going to pray three Our Fathers, please give me a bike (tablet, iphon…). No, gorget it. He doesn´t work that way. We need to be humble, obeying´and trusting that He gives in His own time and in His own way. His thinking is not our thinking and His ways are not our ways.
      May you be blessed and have a lovely and peaceful Advent, Gary.
      Vladimir, Slovakia

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      • Gary says:

        I am with you Vlad.. Merry Christmas…


      • Gary says:

        Iam going for the full alchol enriched Budvar

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        • Vladimir says:

          Then Cheers, Gary, I pref3er a bit of a red wine, or a strick=a bit of red wine with lots of water to refresh myself during the summer heats. My father used to drink a lot so I say he drank everything I could have… No, alcohol is not my friend. I actually remember one instance I want to share. My father was a forester and we lived in a house in the forest, deep in the woods, the nearest village was like 2 miles away and the road led thru the meadowas and woods. And he had always lots of time to come home, as we say, leaving my mum alone with 4 kids, one or two cows, lots of poultry and wild animals in the area. So one day, I dont know why but I took my younger sisters with and walked down to the village unbeknowst to our mum. And we went right to the pub where he was sitting and drinking. The whole village went upside down after that, everybody was just shocked such small kids came to get their father from the pub. I was about 5. His drinking never stopped, unfortunately and he never explained why he was drinking, even when I was 20. Once my mum asked me, ” Vlado (short for Vladimir) tell me, you will never drink like your father, right? And I agreed. I was about 12. So, the smell of a beer is one that I quite dislike, because of my father, so I do not drink it at all, but with you, Gary I would not mind having one… I had forgiven him a long time ago, though, so I have peace in my heart.
          Blessed Christmas.

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