Marvelous Piece on the Consecration of Fatima

Knights Guarding the Pilgrim Statue of Our Lady of Fatima

Knights Guarding the Pilgrim Statue of Our Lady of Fatima

(I am still working on the meaty post I referenced yesterday. It covers the Supreme Court ruling, my work in more detail, and several other things. We have entered the final countdown…and when the ground starts moving beneath your feet, it is best to be very deliberate. I will get that post up when I can. It must come before anything else meaty, as it is, in many ways, a prerequisite to dealing with these final hours before crash. – When I say final hours, I mean it figuratively. It could come at any moment, but I personally think we are going to limp on through the summer. As I mentioned, it is not finished…we have several other big shocks to absorb before we are there, but it is clearly visible on the near horizon now.

Our reader, TC, sent me this wonderful article by William Sockey from the World Apostolate of Fatima. It is the best short, explanatory piece on the subject of the Consecration I have seen. I thought you might enjoy it, too. The World Apostolate is doing great work and is completely faithful to the Church. Do not be deceived…not every organization that references Fatima is. A reader shared with me a piece from the Fatima Network that is flirting with the “Francis is an anti-pope” heresy. I do not link to it because why would I want to link to heresy? And let me make clear, lest there be any doubt, that one of the things I am certain of is that Francis was chosen from all eternity to carry the ship of the faith safely through the Storm. He, along with St. John Paul  and Benedict form a trilogy of the Popes of Fatima, leading to the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart. I may fuss at my Papa occasionally, but he is the guy. There is no doubt.

Finally, in these troubled times, if you have not been checking out the website, Abyssum, of our friend, Bishop Rene Gracida, you really should be. He is prolific in finding articles that cover the times we are in. I also very much like that, in these dark times, he is a master at finding the stories of Bishops and Priests who are living the faith with truly heroic fidelity. You won’t find that anywhere else – and it is a very important sign of hope. I recommend you subscribe to the site so you get email notifications. I do. This dear Bishop is a profound sign of hope in these troubled times.

And now, the article I linked to above…-CJ)

WHY THE CONSECRATION OF THE WHOLE WORLD ALONG WITH RUSSIA IN 1984?

By William Sockey – Why did Pope St. John Paul II, on March 25, 1984, consecrate the whole world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and not just Russia alone, even though Our Lady of Fatima requested only the consecration of Russia? To answer this question we must first ask the question: “Why did Our Lady of Fatima request the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart by the Pope in union with all the bishops of the Catholic Church?”

Our Lady warned at Fatima that the world was threatened with punishment for its sins, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. She warned that a Second World War would start during the pontificate of Pope Pius XI. She said,

To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and the Communion of Reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated.

The reason Our Lady requested the consecration of Russia by the Pope and bishops of the Catholic Church was to prevent World War II and to prevent communist Russia from spreading their atheist ideology throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church, the martyrdom of the good, the suffering of the Holy Father and the annihilation of various nations.

To whom did Our Lady make this request? On June 13, 1929, Our Lady appeared to Sister Lucia in the chapel of her convent and said, “The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father, in union with all the Bishops of the world, to make the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means.” The request was not made to St. John Paul II, or to any random pope at some time in the future! No, the request was made to Pope Pius XI!

If Pope Pius XI had made the consecration of Russia in union with all the bishops of the Church, the following things would have resulted:

  1. Russia would have been converted before amassing the power to spread the errors of atheistic Communism all over the world.
  2. There would have been no World War II, through which Russia captured half of Europe, gaining the economic means to infect the world with atheistic Communism.
  3. There would have been no Soviet Union, no Red China, no communist North Korea, no communist Vietnam, no communist Cuba, and no Christian martyrs in those countries.
  4. There would have been no Russian supported communist uprisings and revolutions throughout the world, in Africa, South America and Asia.
  5. Christian countries would not have been morally and spiritually undermined by Soviet propaganda.
  6. There would have been peace throughout the world during the second half of the twentieth century!
  7. The West would have been better united and morally and spiritually stronger for meeting the threat of Islamic terrorism, and acting more effectively against it.

Pope Pius XI failed to make the consecration of Russia as requested by Our Lady. Great suffering resulted from this, for the world and for the Church. Sister Lucia said Our Lord spoke to her in an intimate communication, saying “They did not wish to heed my request…they will repent and do it, but it will be late. Russia will already have spread her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and the persecution of the Church; the Holy Father will have much to suffer.” The consecration would be made, eventually, but it would be too late to prevent the evils foretold by Our Lady if the consecration was not made in time.

When St. John Paul II was recuperating in the hospital, after the assassination attempt on his life, he made a careful study of the Message of Fatima. It was obvious that the consecration of Russia requested of Pope Pius XI had not been made, and the evils and suffering foretold by Our Lady and Our Lord had come to pass. World War II was long over, Russia had grown and expanded its power, becoming the atheistic Soviet Union. Russian propaganda had infected the whole world – even Catholic countries – with a spirit of rebellion against God’s laws and the Christian faith, with publicly accepted and promoted atheism and immorality.

Realizing that the damage we were warned about had now been done, St. John Paul II saw that it could no longer be prevented. The question that faced the Pope was, what did the Message of Fatima teach us that could now be done effectively to counter and repair the spiritual and moral damage done to the world and the Church following World War II? Evidently, the Holy Father decided, with the grace and spiritual authority of the papacy, that because the consecration had not been done in time, what was now needed was a consecration of the whole world.

Our Lady did not say the whole world would be converted by the consecration of Russia, only that Russia would be converted before it would infect the whole world with atheism, immorality and the spirit of rebellion against the established civil order. The Pope apparently judged, reasonably, that in 1984 the conversion of Russia would only prevent further infection of the world by the errors of Russia, but would not repair the damage already done. And the damage already done was extremely grave! It was the Holy Father’s judgment that the whole world now needed the powerful help of Our Lady to counter the errors of Russia already established and active in the world: influencing world governments to approve abortion and all sorts of immoral behavior as protected and celebrated human rights.

So, St. John Paul II asked all the Catholic bishops of the Church to join him in consecrating the whole world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, with special prayers for those countries such as Russia that particularly needed her intercession. Sister Lucia said the 1984 consecration was accepted by God, the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia officially returned to the Christian faith. Today daily prayer and Christian instruction are required in Russian public schools. In a public ceremony broadcast throughout Russia, President Vladimir Putin and his political staff kissed the Icon of Our Lady of Kazan, the holiest Image of Our Lady as Queen of Russia.

This is not to say that Putin is a saint, or that Russia is now a great political ally of the United States. They aren’t. But the fact remains that today Russia is officially “Christian” and there is no longer a Soviet Union bent on enslaving other nations under atheistic regimes.

But what good has that done for the United States? The errors of Russia continue to influence the corruption of our culture and the other formerly Christian cultures of the world. At least we no longer have the power and influence of the Soviet Union continuing to promote international atheism by ideology and by conquest. It’s now up to Catholics in every country to learn, live and spread the Message of Fatima in order to fulfill Our Lady’s primary request for prayer and penance in order to bring about the conversion of sinners, and in by this means to obtain the blessing of peace. It’s no longer a question of what Our Lady asked the Pope to do. He has done all he could. It is now a question of what Our Lady asked the rest of us to do, which is summarized in the WAF Pledge.

William Sockey is the custodian of the National Pilgrim Virgin Statue.

 

About charliej373

Charlie Johnston is a former newspaper editor, radio talk show host and political consultant. From Feb. 11, 2011 to Aug. 21, 2012, he walked 3,200 miles across the country, sleeping in the woods, meeting people and praying as he went. He has received prophetic visitation all his life, which he has vetted through a trio of priests over the last 20 years, and now speaks publicly about on this site. Yet he emphasizes that we find God most surely through the ordinary, doing the little things we should with faith and fidelity. Hence the name, The Next Right Step. The visitations inform his work, but are not the focus of it. He lives in the Archdiocese of Denver in the United States.
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68 Responses to Marvelous Piece on the Consecration of Fatima

  1. LJD says:

    I’m going to ask this at the risk of upsetting some, so I apologize in advance. A few years back I read an article from somewhere about Sister Lucy of Fatima and how she passed early on in her life and was replaced by another woman. Now I am not one for cloak and dagger conspiracy theories, but when I looked at the photographs, I could not argue that this appeared to be two totally different people. I was wondering if anyone here had seen the article I am referring to or know of the theory I speak of. I know Fatima is sacred to many here, so I repeat that I don’t want to start a mean debate. I only am interested in the thoughts of other well meaning people. This group is one that I feel comfortable enough to have this discussion in and I hope no one gets offended by my question/comment. Thanks.

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    • charliej373 says:

      No, we’ve discussed it briefly before. Frankly I think it largely an invention by people who wanted to shriek about how St. John Paul was a heretic or that he had not done the Consecration right…and then suffered the inconvenient declaration by Sr. Lucia that St. John Paul’s consecration had been accepted by heaven. As far as pictures go, I was just looking through some pictures of old high school chums as they are now while I was in Miami. About 20% of them did not look at all like the same person I once knew. Some people always look merely like an older version of themselves throughout the decades as they age. Some look completely different. Not offended by your question, but think of how vast such a conspiracy would have had to have been. Several Popes and Bishops – and all the Sisters in her Convent, at the least, would have had to have been in on it. Simply not credible and a tool to try to confuse things, not clarify them.

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      • LJD says:

        Thank you for your reply Charlie. I can’t speak to the who would have to be involved in such a conspiracy, only to what I could gather from the photos. There have been significant cover ups at highest levels such as the money laundering for instance. Keeping a cloistered nun’s secrets isn’t much of a stretch to me. Centralized power there has led to serious corruption over the ages. Fr Malachi Martin had some insights of his own from his perspective in being in the inner circle of Vatican prestige in the 60s. John Paul I believe was a good and saintly man, but surrounded by dark forces and chose his battles accordingly.
        All I could gather from the photos was that the lips, nose, and teeth were significantly smaller than the photos of Lucy from her youth. Noses grow throughout life, never shrink. Teeth also do not get smaller. Thank you again for the reply. I guess we will only know the full story of that and the actual consecration on the other side. God bless all and I look forward to seeing you in Philly Charlie!

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        • mmbev says:

          I ,too, have studied the pictures with interest. Even if such as conspiracy were possible (and I really doubt it, because some people can NOT keep their mouths shut, no matter what, even when paid large sums of money which those nuns were not), we end up accusing a Saint (JP II) of being liar, and Sister Lucia, who has said that Our Lady said God has accepted the consecration, must be a liar also.

          Now I have told a few lies in my life. Even pretty big ones. However, anything I told, pales into insignificance compared to the both of them lying about the consecration and it’s acceptance BY GOD. When you start lying about GOD, the liar had better really duck and had better make reparation before their death. That’s when you meet face to face the one you lied about, and He won’t really be happy. (Isn’t there something about amendment and having to do so for a good confession?)

          Anyway, my brother wanted pictures of our paternal grandmother for his “family tree” he was doing. I had the only pictures of her taken on her two visits to our family. He wanted them. So, I sent them. He was as mad as a hatter at me. Why? Because I had blacked out my face in all the pictures. I mean, anybody would have done the same if they looked that bad in the pictures. No way was I having those pictures of me in public in any way. Since I had the pictures, I got to do things my way. (The absolute truth, right down to the period.)

          Unfortunately, Nuns don’t get the same choice. If I’d been Sister Lucy, and those were really pictures of me (hummmm), I’d have blocked out my face before anyone saw them.

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          • Mary Ann says:

            Sister Lucia had all her teeth pulled and replaced. Bad dentristry. I do accept that the consecration was done in 84, but witnesses say (Gabriel Amorth) that it was only “the world” without specific mention of Russia, so heaven was very generous in its acceptance.

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  2. Lois F. says:

    Wow! And thank you! This one, succinct article makes more sense than anything I have read on Fatima in my 50 years on this earth.

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    • Tarja says:

      From my Eastern Orthodox point of view I could not agree more with this article! I know “a little bit” of Russian religious life because I regularly read their Orthodox sites in Russian language. You would not believe how much Orthodox spiritual life means for thousands and thousands Russian people! One just have to see all their crowded churches, their deep worship and for example huge processions! Their faith is so deep and simple and childlike… And I have watched also many films and broadcasts on Orthodox feasts, icons, miracles and theological teaching. Believe me, they are not behind Western Christians! So many of them live their religion and not just practise it. And Mother of God is their Patroness!

      I am afraid that many Americans do not have the right perception of Orthodox religious life in Russia, and that’s why there are so many suspicions and wrong attitudes towards them as Christians. This is so sad and makes people to argue for example of the Consecration of Russia. I have translated a famous book which tells of persecutions of Christians under Soviet regime. THIS TIME NOW IS SO DIFFERENT! Perhaps some day in the future something dangerous happens in the religious life of Russia again but that time is not now— Now is the time of growth and prosperity as far I can tell.

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      • charliej373 says:

        Thank you for this, Tarja. After I was told (around 15 years ago) how rocky relations between America and Russia would become in the near term, but that in the end they would be steadfast allies in helping the world endure until the time of rescue, I became something of a Russophile. It is a very different spirituality than the Western, but also a very deep and rewarding. I have, of course, lived the Russian spirituality of strannik or pilgrimage and of poustinia which is going to the desert to enter into silence before God. The late Catherine Doherty, a young Russian aristocrat who was forced to the Americas by the Russian Revolution, wrote marvelously on authentic, ancient Russian spirituality. Her works are available through Madonna House.

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        • Mary Ann says:

          She came to speak to my Catholic high school in Alexandria, Va. As did Bella Dodd. How the world has changed.

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    • EllenChris says:

      I totally agree with you, Lois. Most of the stuff written on Fatima generates more heat than light. This article puts it all together and makes sense out of everything.

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  3. I’ll readily confess that I haven’t followed all the nitty gritty details of the Consecration debate, but I will say this: especially in light of the recent Supreme Court travesty, it is becoming increasingly implausible that Russia, who stands strongly against homosexuality and the whole secularist agenda, is the “bad guy” while the decadent, Godless west is the “good guy.” A couple years ago there were many voices shouting that evil Russia, and evil Putin, were about to start WW3. How did that pan out?

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  4. Julia says:

    This is a great article. I do agree that the Consecration was done and accepted by our Loving God.

    I also agree and always in debate ask that we all make the 5 First Saturdays in reparation for the offenses against our most Holy Heavenly Mother and Queen. That is all we can do. The rest is in the Hands of God. Bless His Holy Name. Let us surrender to Him and trust Him in everything.

    As far as Sister Lucy not looking enough like she used to. I would just like to share something.
    When my mother died RIP. At her funeral, I was asked to do one of the readings. After Mass, one of my brothers came up to me and said, he did not recognise me, he thought I was another cousin doing the reading. I had seen him less than a year before my mother died, and even so, he did not recognise me until we met later after Mass.
    My hairstyle was different I think; but that should not have confused my brother. So it is easy to see that Lucy could look different. A lot of my own siblings have changed in later years, most of them are beginning to look like our mother, yes, even a couple of my brothers.

    Oh Mary Immaculate, Queen of the Universe, Triumph and Reign.
    In the name of Jesus, and for the love of Jesus, pray for us your poor children. Amen

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  5. the phoenix says:

    I remember hearing St. Pope John Paul II make the consecration of the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on the car radio on a family trip, and it seemed like such an epic battle of Good vs. Evil, and the voice of the Pope sounded like a white light piercing the black darkness and moving it back.

    And here’s a quote that comes to mind that is attributed to St. Padre Pio:

    From the revised edition of “Padre Pio, the True Story” by C. Bernard Ruffin: p. 264. Padre Pio said “The Russian people will be converted. Their conversion will happen very fast. The conversion of the United States will be slow, but sure”. Padre Pio also said “Yes, Russia will be converted, as the Blessed Virgin said she would. However, Russia will teach the United States a lesson in conversion.”

    http://motheofgod.com/threads/padre-pio-russia-will-teach-the-united-states-a-lesson-in-conversion.5769/

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  6. Marita says:

    Thank you, Mr. Sockey! I have heard all the arguments for years from both sides of the issue, and I thought both sides had some valid points either for or against the acceptance of the JPll consecration. I always came back to the fact that Sr. Lucia said heaven had accepted it, but then I always wondered why the Pope wouldn’t say Russia like he was supposed to, but I also knew that JPll would never do anything contrary to what the Blessed Mother said to do. You have ended the doubts once and for all for me. Again, I say thank you!!

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  7. Monica Joseph of the Blessed Sacrament, OCDS says:

    I really appreciated the insight in this piece. Thanks, Charlie, for posting it.

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  8. Observer says:

    The Pope apparently judged, reasonably, that in 1984 the conversion of Russia would only prevent further infection of the world by the errors of Russia, but would not repair the damage already done. And the damage already done was extremely grave! It was the Holy Father’s judgment that the whole world now needed the powerful help of Our Lady to counter the errors of Russia already established and active in the world: influencing world governments to approve abortion and all sorts of immoral behavior as protected and celebrated human rights.

    How do I say this without beginning the trading of more misinformation when I truly do wish to offer this with all due respect? I find the beginning of the above supposition with the term “apparently” to not offer much trustworthiness when there are actually historical facts that could and should be offered about why the Pope had real concerns about the use of the name, Russia, as was specified by heaven through our Lady. This was the time still, after all, of the Soviet Union of which Russia was a part and it is “Russian Communism” designated as the “Red Dragon” that was birthed to spread via the Bolshevik revolution just a month after the last apparition of Fatima in 1917.

    At the time the Vatican was under an agreement with the Soviet Union that it would not imply any public denigration of Communism for the sake of Christians living within that conglomeration of countries. With that said, we also have the statement of Fr. Amorth who was called upon to arrange this Consecration environment and who himself was up close and personal to the fact that JPII did want to follow the specified mention of Russia by name and asked those “politicians” (hierarchical?) around him at that moment if he could do so…..three times… and was told three times that he could not! That doesn’t sound like he was in the mood to make some other kind of broader reasoning for what he decided was the choice he was left with. Of course all of the Popes who made some type of attempt to perform the Fatima Consecration each had their personal reasonings to not do so and yet, if any had moved beyond such human reasonings, as truly concerned as they each seemed to be re: possible aftermaths, and simply trusted in the simple direction and therefore promised outcome given from heaven itself, these hundred years would not have been able to increase in their obvious horrors to this day. But within the Father’s respect for human free will and good will intentions it would appear that each attempt was “rewarded” to some degree….in fact with JPII it was said that the intended nuclear war of 1985 was stopped. Pretty good indeed.

    By 1989 that restriction of Vatican agreement with the Soviet Union was no longer intact and another Consecration with explicit naming of Russia COULD have been done afterwards. And when people attempt to equate the “fall of Communism” with the break up of the Soviet Union one simply cannot give any evidence of the immediate stoppage via any large scale witnessed conversion but neither can one point to any lessening of the spreading of that “Red Dragon” throughout the world since. Since that breakup began in 1987 and moved on like dominoes falling rapidly it is more likely reasoned that such immediacy of effect (as happened with Guadalupe) was due instead to the declaring of that year to be a Marian year! When requests are made through the Blessed Mother and complied with the promised effects are seen to be immediate, not still being reckoned with decades later with longer and more imaginative rationalizations for things having not gone “quite” as promised!

    And so, we have the most up to date news reports today relating Mr. Putin’s further attempts to try to actually now nullify the various independence agreements granted to the former members of that Soviet Union….as being somehow “illegal”…..with a renewed hope for “re-forming” that “Union”.

    Historial facts are often the nemesis to easy excuses that can only survive when those facts are kept in the shadows…..kind of like the proverbial elephant in the room that seems easily to be dismissed or the emperor’s “new clothes”! And there’s obviously a lot of that going on in our secular Orwellian world these days too!

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  9. Asbury Fox says:

    That the 1984 consecration was accepted by God does not mean that the request was fulfilled. God has accepted all the consecrations to the world, but is still waiting for the consecration of Russia to be done, so Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart can triumph and the Fatima promises fulfilled. The consecrations to the world have been beneficial to the world though. God accepted Pius XII’s consecration to the world, and that consecration shortened World War 2. John Paul’s 1984 consecration probably averted nuclear war in the 80’s. It was accepted by God in the way that some world disaster was averted or postponed.

    The request stands and to this day has not been fulfilled. Consecration of Russia by name to be done by the Pope and ALL the bishops of the world. None of which was done in 1984.

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    • charliej373 says:

      I appreciate that you consider yourself a far greater expert on the matter than Sr. Lucia and St. John Paul and Pope Emeritus Benedict. I reckon I will stick with them. I published a guest column that largely shared your point of view by a European theologian who I much value. He made the point without the vitriol – and without the certainty that he was wiser than the seer who lived it and two great Popes. Before you comment again here, I advise you to read the link on the black bar at top concerning “Comments” and familiarize yourself a little with this site. We speak bluntly here without accosting each other with blunt objects to make our point. I know that most websites today encourage untrammeled bombast and insult. We do not here, nor do we cut off serious, respectful discussion of disagreement. You really ought to read a few things, along with the comments attached to them, to get a sense of how we do this. If it appeals to you, we will welcome you. But if you can’t take it down a few notches, I will not be clearing any more of your comments.

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      • Asbury Fox says:

        I fail to see any vitriol in the immediate above comments. I state some points honestly and truthfully. As far as Popes John Paul II and Benedict, they made their consecrations, but they themselves never claimed that they had completed the consecration of Russia as requested by Fatima. It was always the opinion of others. Pope John Paul and Benedict never said so themselves. Pope John Paul II himself did an enthrustment of the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in 2000. So did Benedict. Pope Francis did one in 2013. My point is that if the 1984 consecration was indeed the one requested by Fatima, there wouldn’t be need for further consecrations by 2 other Popes after John Paul II.

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        • charliej373 says:

          Okay, I am going to let one more by. John Paul DID claim he had done it – and somewhere in the 20,000+ comments here, we have a video of him angrily chastising a seminarian who told him to make the consecration that he had already done so, back in 1984. Another thing we are big on here is checking your facts before just hotly making assertions that ultimately don’t hold up. I really suggest you read the piece by Peter B. I linked to earlier. He makes much the case you want to quite effectively, confining himself to verifiable facts and without pretending that John Paul did not claim he had done it properly. I know many bogus sites assert all manner of unwarranted claims, but John Paul DID say he did it properly. As far as your arguments about multiple consecrations over time to the same image…it has been done throughout Church history.

          The explanation I have heard that covers the point you seem to want to make best was by a theologian who told me he suspected that the 1984 Consecration was indeed accepted by heaven, as claimed by Sr. Lucia and asserted by St. John Paul (he did not try to make up his own facts to make his point, but stuck to documented evidence), but that he (the theologian) thought it was the beginning of a series of events and that ultimately Russia would be consecrated by name in fulfillment of what St. John Paul began in 1984. That seemed reasonable to me, as it did no violence to the facts, did not assume that Sr. Lucia and St. John Paul were either lying or deluded, and is consistent with many such events from heaven that we try to encapsulize as a single event that actually turn out to be a series of events in a process.

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          • Asbury Fox says:

            I am not aware of Pope John Paul II making any public statement that he believed he had done the consecration as requested. But if he did, I stand corrected. I will try to look for that video evidence. I am happy to concede the point. Whether John Paul believed he had or had not done it properly, is not really important to my argument anyways.

            I have no problem with multiple consecrations over time to a same image. My problem is that if the Fatima promises had come true, there wouldn’t be a need to repeat it or for multiple consecrations during a short time period. Fatima promised that if Russia was consecrated, she would be converted and there would be peace. You wouldn’t need to consecrate the world again for awhile, because there would be world peace during the reign of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. At no point since 1984, had we had peace, nor has Russia converted. Pope John Paul did an entrustment of the world in 2000. If there had ben peace and Russia converted after 1984, you wouldn’t need to do it again in 2000. At no point between 1984 and 2000 did we see a period of peace in the world or Russia convert. Russia and the world has not known anything but war and misery since 1984.

            My point is this, if Russia is consecrated properly, she would be converted to the Catholic faith, there would be a period of peace in the world, and the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. That is what Fatima promised. This would be immediate. It would not take years and years. It would not take a decade. It has been 31 years since 1984. None of Our Lady’s promises have taken effect.

            I have read the article and did not find it convincing.

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          • charliej373 says:

            Okay then. Thank you, Asbury. You fully make your point and the tone is much more in line with how we try to treat each other here. Welcome to the comment boards. I – and I am sure many others – will look forward to your participation and contributions on this and other subjects going forward. We are glad to have you here.

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          • Observer says:

            If I may, Charlie, to just insert a little but I think important point when using rather “loaded” individual words that repeatedly wish to be lightly skipped over in any such discussion and that point is to define terms and meanings….and one such generalized one is “accepted” by heaven. In fact ALL of the attempts by all of the Popes who made a kind of Fatima consecration were “accepted” because of the good will intended and each were shown proof of that in some gift given as a result. But, with that said, it is wrong to say that JPII ever told anyone that he “did it properly” especially if one is trying to convince others that his could be simply substituted for what was explicitly commanded by heaven. He’s never conveyed that intention. And, frankly, if one should agree with the proposition you give: “that he (the theologian) thought it was the beginning of a series of events and that ultimately Russia would be consecrated by name in fulfillment of what St. John Paul began in 1984. That seemed reasonable to me,” then you’re actually agreeing with what others are attempting to reason….as stated within the Fatima messages that Russia would be consecrated, using the requested formula, but it would be late….and within the bloody events! But, a caveat here, it would certainly NOT be “a fulfillment of what JPII began in 1984”, but THE fulfillment of what was originally requested! Otherwise we are substituting a particular historical figure in the long line of Popes’ attempts, for God’s own rightful place, Himself! It’s not a case of just looking for favorite personages who have made their own personal opinions known (unless they were there and were actual witnesses to what DID take place at the time….that is, historical facts), but basic logic and trust that God knows what is best for us and doesn’t take lightly what He Himself assigns His mother to make known to us about His wishes esp. when they involved grave warnings for all mankind. Again, logic, has to tell us that indeed such warnings are now in realization by the current immediate and present danger for all mankind. Thus, by such evidence, He is still waiting. I for one (or another) have to follow the reasoning that my conscience uses along with my faith….as JPII himself often emphasized in his many teachings that we MUST do.

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      • Mary Ann says:

        Sister Lucia had all her teeth pulled and replaced. Bad dentristry. That is why she looked different. The latest book from her Carmel about her contains this information. I do accept that the consecration was accepted in 84, and that Lucia said it was accepted, but as to what was said: witnesses say (Gabriel Amorth) that it was only “the world” without specific mention of Russia, so heaven was very generous in its acceptance.

        Charlie, on another issue, I don’t see any vitriol or anything negative (except a typo of “to” for “of”) in the prior piece. Did you alter or remove it, or are you getting your antennae super sensitive?

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        • charliej373 says:

          You may be right, Mary Ann. I was actually reacting to the “blasphemy” accusation in Asbury’s first comment. It angered me that he came out so vigorously against what no one here has ever said, to my knowledge. His second comment…the one you reference…was not so bad, but I am afraid I was still smoking a bit over the random, unwarranted accusation from the first comment.

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    • CrewDog says:

      Hey Asbury,

      I think it’s great that you have an “inside track” on what God has accepted and what He has not. Would you please give us God’s e-mail address so we can get his daily e-mail updates too! …… Thanks 😉

      GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!

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  10. Do not fear those within the Kremlin, the usurpers & Putin will eventually come to their knees in due time. Rather it is the old Dragon that must be watched, it has fully awakened & only pretends to slumber within the den.

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  11. Asbury Fox says:

    It’s an obscenity and blasphemy to claim we are living in the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. That the Immaculate Heart of Mary has triumphed in the world and the people of the world has recognized it. That Russia has converted and we have world peace. We have world peace today in the world? With the threat of ISIS, Islam, the USA, Russia, China, and the entire Secular Atheist global system?

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    • charliej373 says:

      With some patience, Asbury, that could be true, but is bafflingly irrelevant since no one here has made that claim. The writer of this article does not; I say that the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart will come very late in 2017…but that by living the faith we can begin to participate in it even now as the Storm unfolds. I am guessing you are new…and I am going to presume you are sincere. But I give you a warning that is important for all: do not be so eager to find someone to condemn that you don’t bother to get your facts straight before you start condemning. That is not piety, but defamation.

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      • Karen says:

        Charlie, I appreciate you letting this discussion with Asbury Fox be posted. I have friends in the very traditional circles who express the same fears. I never understood why they felt that way given Sr. Lucia’s confirmation of Heaven’s acceptance (nor did I want to ‘go there’ with them), but the above comments helped me see the concerns.

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  12. mmbev says:

    The most fantastic thing is that all of us here will realize, see and some actively participate in the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart. Should we die during the chastisement we will hopefully participate by praying and watching. You are truly correct to say that we are already living in that Triumph, for we are. Anticipation is a necessary part of participation. A good part of the joy is always the looking forward “to”, seeing “ahead”, longing “for”.

    Though we must go through this time of deep suffering, we still for a good part of the time will hold fast to our trust in His Mercy and our Mother’s love. The consolation of being aware of this gives, in itself, tremendous blessing to us.

    We are like Simeon waiting in the Temple to see the Saviour. With all my heart I hope that if/when I reach the point where I am lying on the ground with dirt in my mouth, I am able to make an Act of Faith by will alone. I am already praying for this gift since you have said that all will lose hope of rescue. In fact, I pray that all of us here are able to make that unfelt, essentially unbelieved except as an act of will, profession to Him.

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  13. Barbara Dore says:

    Charlie, you mention about the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart in 2017. What kind of this day will come? like what? I wonder if all demons will have to leave Earth in 2017. I wonder if The ripples from Her Immaculate Heart will force them to leave when they sense her approach to Earth.

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  14. Gin says:

    Thank you for this Charlie. Mr. Sockey’s piece is very much in line with Fr. Andrew Apostoli’s explanation which I have found to be trustworthy. After watching him, I stopped listening to theories out there and found I just wanted to do my part in helping Mama Mary by fulfilling the Communion of Reparation on the Five 1st Saturday’s. In case anyone wants to hear Fr. Andrew, I link his talk here if that is okay …

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    • mmbev says:

      I can echo your sentiments, Gin. The Five First Saturdays are what she asked the laity to do. I have to confess that I was very remise in doing my part. However, that is something that most of us can do especially since the anticipated Mass on Saturday evening can fulfill her request, providing there is attendance at the Sunday Mass the next day. That isn’t a tremendous hardship, considering it is only once a month.

      I guess that is keeping our “post’, Charlie. Do what we can do, and focus there, not on someone else’s post.

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  15. Dan Lynch says:

    In October of 1992, I helped to lead a pilgrimage of nearly 1000 pilgrims from Fatima to Russia with John Haffert, co-founder of the Blue Army of Our Lady of Fatima. We carried the International Pilgrim Virgin statue of Our Lady of Fatima, the Missionary Images of Our Lady of Guadalupe and Jesus King of All Nations. We led processions of them into Red Square in Moscow, Russia and there crowned and proclaimed Our Lady as Queen of Russia.

    On May 31, 1999, John met with Sister Lucia. His interview was recorded on both audio and video tape.

    Sister Lucia said, “Fatima is still in its Third Day. We are now in the post Consecration period. The First Day was the apparition period. The Second was the post apparition, pre-Consecration period. The Fatima Week has not yet ended.”
    “I may not get to see the whole Week….” Then she repeated, “The Fatima Week has just begun. How can one expect it to be over immediately?”

    In Sister Lucia’s imagery, the First Day is the apparition period; the Second Day is the post apparition, pre-Consecration period; the Third Day is from the Consecration onwards. That means that the Consecration period is an ongoing process.

    Sister Lucia explained to John that the collegial Consecration made by Pope John Paul II in union with many bishops of the world on March 25, 1984, was accepted by God. She said that the “conversion” of Russia, which meant the granting of freedom of religion in that country, was brought about by God and brought us into the “Third Day.”

    You may read the entire article here:
    http://www.motherofallpeoples.com/2005/06/sister-lucia-and-the-third-day-of-the-week-of-fatima/

    A person who is now an ambassador to the Vatican told me that she had a private meeting with a Cardinal and Sister Lucia. She told them that on March 24, 1984, St. John Paul II made the consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary that Our Lady had requested at Fatima. Sister Lucia also said on other occasions that the papal consecration had been made and that that if it had not been made, a nuclear war would have occurred in 1984.

    Twenty years later on March 24, 2004, the 20th anniversary of the consecration, St. John Paul II said the same thing. He said, “I remember especially March 25, 1984, the Holy Year. Twenty years have gone by since that day when in spiritual union with all the bishops of the world I entrusted all of mankind to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in response to Our Lady’s plea in Fatima.”

    Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone S.D.B Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith under then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger said, “Sister Lucia personally confirmed that this solemn and universal act of consecration corresponded to what Our Lady wished. [She wrote,] ‘Yes it has been done just as Our Lady asked, on 25 March 1984.’ (Letter of 8 November 1989). Hence any further discussion or request is without basis.”

    Whether or not it was literally what Our Lady asked for in 1917 is irrelevant since in 1984 it “corresponded” to Our Lady’s wishes, after many changes had taken place in the world since 1917 and there was the need for the consecration of the entire world, not just Russia.

    St. John Paul II read all about Fatima after his assassination attempt made on May 13, 1981, the anniversary of the first Fatima apparition. He knew what he was doing and he knew what Our Lady asked at Fatima but he broadened it and he said, as in the quote above, that he did it “in response to Our Lady’s plea in Fatima.”

    The arguments against St. John Paul II’s consecration are fruitless. Many of them lack charity and distract others from responding to the true Fatima message of repentance, conversion, and prayer.

    In light of the above, it is problematic that the supposed “locutions to the world” from the Blessed Virgin Mary found at http://www.locutions.org/ and read by several commenters on this blog, still call for the “proper” papal consecration of “Russia.” Even more problematic, is that these “locutions” extol the work for advancing that cause by the recently deceased Fr. Gruner, a priest who had a dubious canonical status and questionable priestly faculties.

    Only the Pope could do what was asked of him and he said that he did it. We should not criticize the Pope for “not doing the job right.” We should practice Our Lady of Fatima’s message to each one of us to personally consecrate ourselves to her and to make reparation for the sins of the world by our prayer, especially the daily Rosary, and the practice of the First Saturday Devotion.

    Let’s stay at our posts, do our own daily duty and not be critical of those whom we think are not doing or did not do theirs, especially of popes, one of whom is a saint.

    You may learn more here from my book, The Call to Total Consecration:

    http://www.jkmi.com/dan-lynch-store/the-call-to-total-consecration-to-the-immaculate-heart-of-mary

    “When the storm has swept by, the wicked are gone, but the righteous stand firm forever.” (Proverbs 10:25).

    Dan Lynch Apostolates promoting devotion to
    Our Lady of Guadalupe, Jesus King of All Nations,
    Our Lady of America and Saint John Paul II
    Visit our website at http://www.JKMI.com
    E-Mail Us at JKMI@JKMI.com
    May Our Lady of Guadalupe keep you under the mantle of her protection and
    may the Reign of Jesus King of All Nations be recognized in your heart!

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    • Mary N says:

      Hi Dan,
      Thank you – I love your comment. One of the reasons I am leery of “locutions to the world” is because Our Lady sounds like a political reporter in these messages. The tone of them puts me off. They may be true, I don’t know, but I can’t seem to read them. I guess it’s because I hold Our Lady’s motherhood in high esteem and I very much relate to her as my Heavenly Mother. It may sound silly but the cold tone of these messages bother me.

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  16. Tommy G says:

    On another note, the Locutions to the World comes to mind. If the consecration was actually done & accepted by God, then the Locution (which many are following at a distance) must be false! For it has stated various times that the consecration to Russia was not done & will be done in the future. Is it possible that Sr. Lucia & St. Pope John Paul II are both correct (the consecration to the world was accepted by God) & wrong (the specific request to consecration Russia was not done) at the same time? Just wondering, where are the fruits of the consecration to the world? We can see that the communistic mindset is well embedded in the U.S. (especially the youth)? This still remains a mystery… Regardless, we must prepare for this final confrontation/ rebellion against God.

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    • charliej373 says:

      For whatever it is worth, Tommy, I long ago stated that I do not believe the Locutions to the World to be divinely inspired, though I do respect the site’s often deep spiritual meditations. Some here swear by them, a few dismiss them altogether…but I think most have a similar attitude towards them as I do. Someone who was in a position to know once told me the locutions are not by one person, but by a group of persons. I don’t know with certainty that that is the case, but it would explain the often erratic and uneven quality of them.

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      • Tommy G says:

        Thanks – I didn’t know that! Truth will prevail in this time of great confusion. Humility, humility, humility is the key to walking forward in the truth.

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      • Observer says:

        But, but, but, Charlie, you also tell us that you didn’t believe that Medjugorje was divinely inspired as well until your angel advised you better 🙂 Anyway, I always say re: LTTW “up until now” and watch while I, along with Monsignor Esseff, seem to agree….and he has directed the locutionist for many years. BTW, she is now a nun….a very holy woman I’m told. And you can see that all of the messages given so far (except the most recent of course) are in book form with the notation: (Amazon)

        Locutions To The World Paperback – January 31, 2014
        by Editor, Msgr John Esseff (Author)

        This is the first of several volumes collecting the Locutions to the World given by Jesus and Mary to a soul under spiritual direction by a Roman Catholic priest. Beginning on December 10, 2010, locutions were received that were meant to be told to the whole world. The reader should be aware that these are private locutions. If they help the reader’s faith, then receive them. If not, then set them aside. We are called to believe only public revelations.

        As is recorded, these must be permitted by Monsignor before they go public. With his experience in spiritual direction and discernment of the many levels of persons he’s directed as well as his continuing direction in the formation of seminarians I’ll continue to trust his judgement “up until” there is something “that does not help my faith” as instructed, according to Catholic teaching.

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        • charliej373 says:

          Well-noted, Observer. My discernment is not perfect – and occasionally in need of correction. That is why I don’t block discussion of LttW. While some seem a bit worldly to me, unless they contradict faith and morals – and if they are sound meditations, they are worth a hearing. And who knows? I may be wrong. (Though I sometimes hotly deny it in the particular, it does happen in the general from time to time.)

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        • anne says:

          very interesting Observer because it was mentioned to me the other day that the nun is a Missionary of Charity. Now whether that is true or not i do not know……but a prayerful person mentioned it to me! So thank you,

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        • anne says:

          Observer i tend to agree with you. Watch all unfold…….if all is as has been stated, we do not have much time to see as many references are made to the next year or so. All agree we are in a mightly growing storm ……that is why the Pope has declared a Year of Mercy. All are being given a chance to come into the Ark………The Boat is in stormy waters and we need to ride safely in the Heart of Mary, the Sacred Heart and out of Babylon. Mercy…….undeserved love. We all need it.
          How sad it would be if Mons Esseff was “Off” at this time of his life……he is such an instrument of God. Who has listened to his broadcasts on his website? They are absolutley wonderful………i have listened for 5 years. The Holy Spirit flows through to listeners. Kris from Discerning Hearts interviews him.

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  17. Mary-Louise says:

    Dan Lynch, That is a helpful summation of the meaning and impact of the consecration by JPII. I was also glad to see you address the Locutions to the World issue and that site’s support of the late Fr. Gruner.

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    • Dan Lynch says:

      Thank you Mary, but the site didn’t support Fr. Gruner, our Blessed Mother supposedly did so!

      However, this is what the Congregation of the Clergy determined:
      “Congregation for the Clergy
      The Holy See has been informed of a Conference for Peace in the World to be held in Rome from 7-13 October 2001 organized by the Rev. Nicholas Gruner.
      The Congregation of the Clergy, by mandate of Higher Authority, wishes to inform the faithful that the Rev. Nicholas Gruner has received the censure of suspension a divinis and that the censure was confirmed by a definitive sentence of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signature.
      As a consequence, the activities of Rev. Nicholas Gruner, including the Conference for Peace in the World, do not have the approval of legitimate ecclesiastical Authority.
      Vatican City, 12 September 2001
      DARIO Cardinal CASTRILLON HOYOS, Prefect CSABA TERNYAK, Secretary”
      This is published on page 2 of L’Osservatore Romano, English edition, N. 38 – 19 September 2001.

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  18. Joe says:

    My perspective – I believe the consecration has yet to be completed as required by God. The consecration completed by Pope John Paul II was a mercy of God and intervention of Mary such that the storm did not begin in the 80’s where we were on the edge of World War III. Those who believe yea or nay we are both in the same side. My thoughts though are that when the storm comes then our eyes will see in a new light the need for the Consecration. I hold that the essential requirement for its completion is conversion, 1st Saturdays. I tend to believe that the arrival of the storm, the jubilee of mercy and the consecration shall all occur in the same time frame. In 2016/2017 Though I don’t think 2017 is the end of the trumpets. It is a major victory for Mary, with a set of Divine decrees proceeding afterwards. In the end (our lifetimes) we will become half naked. A part of our innoncence will be restored. We will walk in a better friendship with God. Much is coming but never fear. So much hope!!! I like this saying “I may be wrong about much, but as it concerns the Divine love of our God, that I am most certain”.

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  19. Diane says:

    It seems to me we will still have to struggle with the temptations of the world, satan, and the self – but because of the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary the armor we put on daily will be believed in – our faith and love for God will indeed move mountains. We can do that now but we are weakend by the battles that surround us – and have been pounding us for thousands of years. Thereby the very earth itself is convulsing and the upheaval is shaking us to our knees. I read somewhere… Dare to love Him as much as you can, you will never love Him enough.. I think it was St. Thomas Aquinas – but I repeat it often in effort for me to love Him more. To humble my soul – to remind myself how very unstable I am. My prayer and hope is that we will have a brotherhood (as Charlie said in Fort Lauderdale ) off love for all God’s creation- a love for the uniqueness in which we are all created. He calls us to serve Him by serving each other – and my what a challenge that is- to put another’s needs before our own. We will still have battles – but we will be better prepared for those battles than we now are in our battered state. We will love Him as much as we call – we will be able to see Christ in all people – not just a few. And those who are left bereft of belief will want to have the faith they see in you and will easily follow your light way from the darkness the so easily want to walk away from. It seems to me we will still battle what we battle now – but we will be bold with a stronger faith. Love I do,

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  20. Diane says:

    Lots of typos – sorry – but it’s from my phone – I can never express adequately how the comments made here seem to be inspired by the Holy Spirit – God is strengthening the 0.0002 percent – so much wisdom – you all are in my prayers daily. Love. I do.

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  21. Mary N says:

    Hi Charlie,
    There is so much to comment on regarding this post and your other recent posts (and the comments) that I don’t know where to start. Thank you for your words defending Pope Francis – this particular pope is “the fulfillment of Fatima” (he IS “the guy”…lol) and I agree with you that St John Paul and Pope Benedict had huge parts to play leading up to this. As does St. Faustina. Fatima and the Divine Mercy are interrelated and this becomes more clear each day. They each have their parts to play in ushering in the “Day of the Lord’s Mercy”. During this time, the “rays of Mercy” which emanate from the Heart of Jesus will gush forth like never before. It will be as if each and every one of us were below the Cross as His side was pierced by a lance and the “Blood and Water” gushed forth. The best way I can express what will happen is to use the imagery from Psalm 24 – the “flinging wide of the gates and the opening of the ancient doors”. Mark Mallett has a number of wonderful posts that speak to my heart about this. I don’t know if they were linked in his post but this one http://www.markmallett.com/blog/opening-wide-the-doors-of-mercy/
    and his related links at the bottom are a wonderful place for people to catch a glimpse of what will occur.

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    • aquiness says:

      It is so refreshing for me to be involved in a site that doesn’t bash the Pope. 🙂 For some years now I have been ‘warring’ with MDMers..those who follow Maria Divine Mercy, the false prophet. When I say ‘warring’ I mean with polite words…. giving them proof of their errors…sadly though they did not want to know the truths…. even now after she has gone AWOL!.

      Oh those poor people are so brainwashed. All I can do now is pray for them.

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      • charliej373 says:

        I have not been so polite. Too many of the followers of MDM are downright malicious. They had best repent or the accounting they face will be hard.

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        • aquiness says:

          I know Charlie. 😦 Please God they will come to their senses. Mary Carberry has gone now but the books are still being sold. The Philippines is being hit especially hard with the false messages in the books. Even the police are spreading around the ‘Seal’

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  22. Anne says:

    A thought occurred………. Waiting for ALL bishops for cosecration…… When the two lungs are joined there will be all bishops and Moynihan says it is gradually moving between 2 lungs.
    So perhaps it has been done but not fully. Just a thought.
    Also Charlie, Mallett see things a bit differently…….. However both see storm growing and what we do know for sure is the year of Mercy has been declared …… Let the details simply unfold.

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  23. Observer says:

    Since we have been offered the opinions of the “usual” suspects quoted, well known and great individuals as they are, might I offer the testimony and opinion of perhaps an “unusual” suspect as well! His own vocation/calling can be said to be nothing short of a miraculous intervention by the Mother of God and that closeness seems to be continuing in this man’s life. He is obviously a man of great fortitude, courage, true humility and love of his Blessed Mother….a mystic. I recently attended a first Saturday gathering at the Blue Army Shrine where he spoke, led the rosary, and celebrated holy Mass. Another “happening” from his everyday priestly life he related was his attendance with some young people of what they all thought was to be an entertaining evening of reminisces of the “good old days” of the Church. After this “skit” began he realized that it was instead nothing but a real insult to the Church and the Blessed Mother. So he stood up in the theater in Philadelphia and shouted that it was blasphemy against God’s Mother and the Church. Well, you can imagine the stunned audience, but the “players” left the stage and did not return to finish! Talk about Mr. Lynch’s call to not hide one’s faith under a bushel basket! And this is only one of the many courageous teachings by actions of this great priest’s life. So here is the story of his calling to the priesthood to give you some perspective about the simplicity, honesty and dedication to God and His mother that this good priest actualizes in his life:

    [audio src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/airmaria/shrtv/shrtv0053.mp3" /]

    and here is an interview with him re: the Consecration of Russia.

    http://radiomaria.us/august-01-2014-4/

    As you will hear one of his main concerns with the preaching that it has been completed and thus relegated to the past is that people now feel they no longer have to continue to fulfill the requests made or pray still for the conversion of Russia since they have been told that it’s a “done deal”….and just to wait and see!

    And here is Father’s unexpected encounter with Mother Theresa (esp. with her own love for the Marian Movement of Priests):

    http://radiomaria.us/may-04-2015-fr-ronan-murphy-and-fr-arturo-lozanos/

    Happy Fourth! And remember that the signers of the Declaration of Independence later sacrificed with their lives. Freedom isn’t cheap.

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    • charliej373 says:

      Tell me, Observer, when did large numbers of people start living the First Five Saturdays as the laity were directed to do? I hear tons of people who will expound at great length on precisely what the Popes (somebody else) should do to live their obligation properly. I hear MUCH less about how people should do that – and often when someone starts berating the Popes and Bishops on the subject, they get mighty quiet when I ask how they spend their First Saturdays.

      It is why I do not touch on this subject often, for it mainly seems to trigger people’s vanity – to prove their interpretation is right, rather than a serious deepening of commitment to the faith. I suspect you do, indeed, live the First Five Saturdays as we all are directed. But I have just found this is usually not a fruitful debate – though I do think God has set it up that way to reveal hearts.

      I do tell all, though, that if you criticize Popes and Bishops for not consecrating according to how you think they should have and do not, yourself live the First Five Saturdays, you condemn yourself before God, so take care in this.

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      • Observer says:

        Well, Charlie, the thread itself/opinion dealt with the narrow portion of the entire request being whether or not what was specifically asked of the Pope and Bishops had been accomplished. So that was mostly what the discussion was about since that seemed to be what was invited from the start. I don’t see anyone intentionally leaving out the portion of the faithful’s responsibility. At least I have not. In fact….the presentation I offered by a holy and courageous priest points to that very fact….that relegating Fatima to the past by influencing the faithful that what was asked for in totality (it was accomplished) has been a done deal only tempts what you state must still be done….the faithful’s portion of responsibility in the promise…..to be forgotten and no longer necessary. Whose fault then is that? Has such been emphasized, esp. by those whose whole concentration seems to have been simply getting that “vision” alone out there in order to finally halt the discussion and lack of understanding? Not that I wanted to display my “good behavior” before others, but challenged…then, why yes, I’ve made my portion of the request so have no fear of my personal condemnation before God, at least in this respect of a private revelation.

        I would humbly like to add that presenting historical facts that ARE given or insinuated by signature Popes involved and bishops and mystics and exorcists themselves is anything but personal criticisms or else they too are guilty of such. If the faithful are now supposed to deny the historical facts….therefore being asked to deny their own consciences….esp. out of fear (“be not afraid”)…..then it is falling back into what Pope Francis has himself condemned and is strongly attempting to weed out and destroy, and that is “clericalism”.

        For the life of me I cannot understand why simply taking another point of view but a reasoned one, presenting equally as others have been permitted to do here (differing testimonies of equally respected persons of the same Church) and not stifling the Spirit should receive such a much sterner response than those who can attack someone ad hominem and with apparently a much lower bar for compliance with the expected “Christian” spirit for exchange here. I take it then that it’s only that “other differing side” here that has its “vanity triggered” and who are not serious about “deepening their commitment to the Faith”. My way of reasoning is that such acquired knowledge by following the guideline given by our dear Lord “to seek and you will find” is in fact, at least for myself, a true search for the Truth as God intended. The danger may indeed lie elsewhere….and that’s in too easily accepting man’s alterations of God’s intention…and that that is what can lead to traveling at one’s own risk.

        I’ve been trying to slowly acquire the understanding of just where the mine fields are here…or at least where the expected egg shells to walk on will appear 😉 but suppose it just should be expected a certain “outnumbering” and I’ll accept that fact. It’s your blog after all. One becomes leery of adding something if it’s always to be considered as uninvited as by the response given to it. Kinda like when Maria in The Sound of Music, after being reprimanded so often by the Novice Mistress that she concluded the best thing to do was to get down and kiss the ground when she just saw that NM approaching 🙂 If there is any permission granted in the future for any of my contributory exchange I’ll beg that patience before even beginning. And I’ll begin here by saying that I’m sorry I’m so wordy…..always have been and always probably will be. Like Francis only in this aspect….I’m too old to change now I suppose. But then it’s rather a speck of dust in the overall concerns of the world’s survival these day. (hmmm, wonder why that is….ha, ha…come full circle!)

        Thankful, so far, that there haven’t been any reports of the possible and expected attacks upon the citizens of this country today as they celebrate another remembrance of sacrifices given for freedom. God has been good to America.

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        • charliej373 says:

          There aren’t much in the way of minefields here, I don’t think, Observer. But maybe so. But you did not get a response that could be considered at all testy until you made the same point in slightly different language for the fourth separate time. That did not feel so much like you were trying to make your point as wanting people to concede you are right. I don’t begrudge you your point of view – and the first three times you stated it on this thread you got no pushback. I am not sure where someone who attacks someone ad hominem is left unremarked here.

          In any case you offer enough worthy stuff here that I hope you don’t get discouraged.

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  24. Sheri G. says:

    Hi, I don’t voice my opinion very often, not because I don’t have one. (because I almost always do)😊 I don’t claim to have the greatest writing style but I still like to enter into a debate once in awhile. That being said, I also am leary of being reprimanded! (God knows we ALL have our weaknesses!!) 😊. Here is my 2 cents on the consecration of Russia. Do I believe the consecration of Russia was done exactly as Our Blessed Mother requested? No, but I think most people would agree with that! Do I believe that God accepted the previous consecrations that were made and that certainly good “fruits” came of them? Absolutely! Is it possible that it is still in God’s plan and/or Our Blessed Mother’s plan that it be done exactly as Our Mother requested? Absolutely!!! (and why not???) Maybe THAT is just what we need to bring about the “Triumph of the Immaculate heart of Mary!!!) God can take things as they unfold, in our imperfect ways and still fulfill his Divine Will completely! Does He not do that all the time in each and every one of our lives? Let’s none of us ever lose hope and trust in our all loving, all powerful God and Our Blessed Mother! God bless you and Totus tuus, Maria!! Sheri

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    • charliej373 says:

      A perfectly reasonable standpoint, Sheri. I am perfectly happy to have various opinions here…in fact, as you know, I rather encourage it. Sometimes, though, we get caught up in thinking when someone disagrees with us they just don’t understand the facts. Others can, indeed, understand the facts and still come to a different conclusion. Shoot, I make no secret of what high esteem I hold Dan Lynch in…and he has rather forcefully (if usually elegantly) disagreed with me here. He does give me credit for understanding his point and we move on. Sometimes I am swayed, others not so much, but always grateful for the input. We have a lot of different opinions here. While we don’t club each other with blunt instruments over them…there is going to be a stiff elbow from time to time. As long as its a clean rather than a cheap shot, I figure we can all handle it and carry on.

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  25. vicardwm says:

    I don’t really have a vested interest one way or another, but so far I haven’t been convinced that the Consecration of Russia has been fulfilled, because Sister Lucia asked that very question to Our Lord as to why He wouldn’t convert Russia without the consecration, and the answer given was – “I HAVE SPOKEN TO OUR LORD ABOUT THE SUBJECT AND NOT TOO LONG AGO, I ASKED HIM WHY HE WOULD NOT CONVERT RUSSIA WITHOUT THE HOLY FATHER MAKING THAT CONSECRATION. (HE REPLIED) ‘BECAUSE I WANT MY WHOLE CHURCH TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT CONSECRATION AS A TRIUMPH OF THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY.”

    It doesn’t seem to me that the fruits of the 1984 Consecration were so obvious that the whole Church would acknowledge that any triumph of the Immaculate Heart had taken place. Quite the opposite, things have only gotten a lot worse since then. One can argue that things have improved in Russia since 1984, but is it obvious that the Consecration was responsible? Of course, I may be misinterpreting something, but no one, to my knowledge, has ever explained this.

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  26. Andy says:

    My biggest question on this that I have always had is why? Why was it not ever done as requested or in the manner that our Blessed Mother asked it to be done? Why was “Russia” never stated? Because it was never done in the way most expected it to be done, here we sit so many years later debating whether or not heaven accepted it. This is pure speculation on all our parts because we cannot ever know for certain if heaven did indeed accept it. So the debate continues and there are great points on all sides as to whether or not it was done or accepted. I have read and listened to all the reasons why St. John Paul did not mention the name of Russia at the time but why did he never do it again after the Soviet Union Collapsed? It seems such an easy thing to do now by any standing Pope and yet the name “Russia” has never publicly been said and thus this debate among devout Catholics continues and this cannot be healthy. For me, the Pope needs to come forward once and for all and just do it the way our Blessed Mother asked, and we the faithful need to also do what our Blessed Mother asked and then all this confusion and debate would be gone. Instead we have so much continued confusion and anger and feelings on this that must make the devil quite happy. We also have the ongoing debate about the third secret. Is it complete, is it not? How could it end the way it ended? I still continue to see in my head Mother Angelica’s face after reading the supposed third secret and her expression is probably the expression of many of us. The greatest Marian visitation for the world is clouded in so much controversy and debate and for me it should not be this way. I pray for the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary with every rosary. I pray for the final Marian Dogma’s to be named and I pray for the Pope to Consecrate the world again and this time name Russia! Clear up the confusion once and for all so at least one debate can be resolved.

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    • charliej373 says:

      Andy, I once thought that once ultrasounds became sophisticated, it would be the end of abortion, for it would clear up the confusion over whether the fetus was a “blob of tissue” or a person. It cleared up the confusion – but merely revealed that those who wanted the right to execute infants would not be stopped by mere facts. I often argued, up until about a decade and a half ago, that if God would show everybody what He was showing me, there would be no need for the Storm for all would repent and step back from the abyss. Certainly for the past decade, one need not speak with angels to see where we are headed – but the aggressors have doubled down rather than repented.

      I have some sympathy with your request that the name Russia, alone, be mentioned. A reasonable request…but one I have come to think is now destined to be fulfilled only at the border of the Rescue, the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart. As for the other things, I think you will find, as I did, that no matter how clearly they are dealt with, the devil will always find ways to divide and fertile soil in which to raise divisions.

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  27. torilen says:

    Thank you, Charlie, for sharing this article with us. It’s the most logical, common sense piece I’ve ever read on the Consecration.

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