Purity and the Domestic Church

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(I have added our regular commenter, Michael Patrick’s marvelous website, ‘Sweetwater Haven’ to the links under my favorite spiritual sites and the Surrender Novena, one of the best ever, to the Devotions links.

Susan Skinner writes the elegant Veil of Veronica site. She lives in Tennessee. Both she and her Priest have become trusted friends. Susan has genuine expertise in Christian sexual education, so I asked her to put together a piece here on the subject in light of the Vatican’s controversial new program.-CJ)

By Susan Skinner

Charlie asked me to write up a piece on the Vatican Sex Education program.  He told me that I had some genuine expertise in this area.  I do not feel that I do.  In fact I feel wholly inept, except in one area and that one area is Motherhood.   As the Mother of  three  young children my husband and I are daily battling a culture that brings lust, sex, and “hook ups” into the world of my children every day.  My 14 year old can’t go to the Mall without seeing a half-naked Victoria’s Secret model, or a man in his underwear at Abercrombie and Fitch.  Let’s not even get into the social media where I struggle every day to maintain parental control.  I have to talk to my kids every day about these images we see all around us.  I have also seen friend’s marriages ruined by the readily available pornography.  It sometimes feels the wolf is at the door but through prayer and catechesis with my family, we are keeping the wolf at bay.

The respite in my life has always been my church.  The church has always been clear on matters of sexuality and morality.  The rights of the parents, in the eyes of the church, has always been inalienable.

“At the same time I feel it important to reiterate that the overall education of children is a “most serious duty” and at the same time a “primary right” of parents.   This is not just a task or a burden, but an essential and inalienable right that parents are called to defend and of which no one may claim to deprive them.” Paragraph 84,  Pope Francis – Amoris Laetitia

I was so thankful to have this guiding light for my family through these tumultuous times we live in.  The church’s rules are not to suck the fun out of life, but are a guide that can lead to great and joyful living.  When we love God with our whole heart, our response is to keep His commandments.

“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” John 14:15 

My husband and I chose Catholic Schools for our children in an effort to help catechize them.  We sacrifice and pay large tuition in order to be able to do so.  We did this because we felt safe, and we trusted that what is being taught aligns with our Catholic values at home.  While some experiences with the Catholic school system have been great, I have unfortunately also personally found out not every school is aligned with our values.  And it is a heart ache to have to battle the Catholic Institutions when they should be a refuge from the world.  Still I keep my eyes on Christ.

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Susan Skinner, author of the Veil of Veronica website, and me.

 

Further disheartening was seeing the sex education curriculum that came out of the Pontifical Council on the Family.  If I had time to, I could dissect each part of this curriculum.  I could tell you why it’s inappropriate to show a woman’s chest with XXX on top of it, or why bringing a biology teacher into a mixed class to teach anatomy (see link above), is inappropriate, but it begs the question, whose right is it to teach our children on matters of sexuality regardless of the content?  If the church really wanted to help teach the children about sex education why wouldn’t the curriculum be formulated for the parents to teach their own children with the school in a secondary supportive role?  We are being asked it seems, by our own church members, to abdicate our rights.  The family is the domestic church.  This is where we should start if we want to help people.

I was heartsick when I first saw this sexual education curriculum.  What have we done?  Long gone are the days when a parent could expect that their child would discover the beauty of sexual union on their wedding night.  The culture bombards them with sex and pornography.  Sex is portrayed everywhere divorced from its Sacramental purpose, and devoid of truth and beauty.    Children don’t even know what a mortal sin is, and this new curriculum doesn’t appear to want to mention it.  Instead of responding with truth and beauty this curriculum embraces the culture and provides graphic photos that I already have to address every day and they bring it in under the guise of providing “information.”

My Spiritual Director once told me the litmus test for anything we do… anything we teach, read, watch, is – if the Blessed Mother were standing in the room with you, could you show her what you were doing without feeling shame?  I believe it would be hard to look at the Blessed Mother and tell her as a church, we have infringed on parental rights, and we are showing pictures of teenagers grind dancing because we know it’s in the culture.

Why are we caving into the culture?  The message of the Gospel should not be watered down.  If there is anything at all in this curriculum (which I believe there is), that could lead even one child into mortal sin, then the church has failed in Catholic Education.  The salvation of souls is our goal, and our educators are at risk of their own souls if they lead a child to sin.

“If anyone causes one of these little ones–those who believe in me–to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.”  Matthew 18:6 

We have invited the culture into the classroom.  A culture which teaches depravity and mediocrity.  I am here to tell you that the only way to change the culture is to aim for the ideal.  No one would ever said that when St. Francis set out to reform the church that he was realistic in his goal.  He sought God’s ideal.  The same goes for Mother Teresa.  We have lost our sense of the wondrous works that God can provide if we only aim for them.  We have also lost our sense of modesty, a tragedy to me since we have Saints like Agnes and Maria Goretti who went to their deaths defending it.

Our children are dying.  They are literally dying due to a culture that feeds them death, and they are spiritually dying because their souls are not being fed truth.  We need to feed them truth and beauty.  We need to show them that our church offers a better way of living that leads to peace and joy in our souls.  Many of our children have all the material wealth they could possibly want, and yet, they still feel alone, they get addicted, they see the sin offering of the culture and more and more often, they choose that path.

We have the answer, and yet the best we can do as a church, is seemingly put out a curriculum that invites the culture in, and takes away the role of the parent.  God help us all, and we wonder why our world is in the state it’s in.

So to all the parents out there, I urge you, do not abdicate your rights.  Do not let the school system take what is yours.  If you do, you will likely not get those rights back anytime soon.  Do not be afraid. Teach your children truth and beauty.  And to the educators out there, partner with the parents, don’t dictate to them, otherwise you are no better than the mandate to the Little Sisters of the Poor.

Lastly, pray the Rosary every day.  The Blessed Mother can cover us and our children over with her Mantle.  We can change the culture, but we must live the Gospel. We have nothing to fear because the gates of hell shall not prevail, and our God is a God of great love.

We can teach our children better.

If any of parents out there have come across a Catholic Institution that is violating Doctrine and you need assistance in getting it corrected, please contact the St. Joseph Foundation Canon Law.  They are an invaluable resource.  They are funded by donations, so please also consider making a donation to this invaluable organization.

 

About charliej373

Charlie Johnston is a former newspaper editor, radio talk show host and political consultant. From Feb. 11, 2011 to Aug. 21, 2012, he walked 3,200 miles across the country, sleeping in the woods, meeting people and praying as he went. He has received prophetic visitation all his life, which he has vetted through a trio of priests over the last 20 years, and now speaks publicly about on this site. Yet he emphasizes that we find God most surely through the ordinary, doing the little things we should with faith and fidelity. Hence the name, The Next Right Step. The visitations inform his work, but are not the focus of it. He lives in the Archdiocese of Denver in the United States.
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511 Responses to Purity and the Domestic Church

  1. Such a wonderful post, and thank you so much for writing that up for such a large audience.

    May we become a holy, pure, and true people.

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  2. loveconquers says:

    This is such a hard thing to navigate. I was a total lost soul in my young adulthood. I had no training in proper sexuality or proper self respect. I was on birth control for many years and literally didn’t know how my body worked. I didn’t even know how ovulation worked was until i was in my mid to late 20’s. I was a total product of cosmo/planned parenthood/ feminist culture. It should also be noted that I was miserable. I have since had a reversion, got married and have now been blessed with 2 beautiful little girls. I often lay away at night and wonder what I am going to tell them about there own bodies. How am I going to explain my mistakes to them in a way that is helpful? The Catholic schools in Canada are government run and sex ed is in, in a BIG WAY. They should just get rid of Catholic schools all together. It’s a joke at this point. My girls are not in school yet. I have thought about homeschooling but I honestly was a pretty terrible student and I don’t think I have the skills or confidence to put their educations totally in my own hands. BUT, I take them to mass as often as I can, and we pray the Hair Mary before bed and throughout the day and I hope they will learn from that. That they will have faith first, and everything else in this crazy world will have to overcome that. There will be a lot of pressures for them. It is impossible to protect or shelter kids these days. There is too much JUNK out there. Our best bet lays in our Rosaries, Adoration and in the Holy Mass. That is how I comfort myself about the situation when I get anxious. Our culture has stolen the ability for us to protect our kids but we still have our Catholic Faith and our kids still have their own hearts, minds and souls. I will do my best to fill them with things that are good….to counteract the bad.

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    • diane says:

      Loveconquers,
      Your have the answer in your name, love conquers, it indeed does. Love those 2 little girls and each morning give yourself to God, ask Him to guide you, give your daughters to Him and ask Him help you in rearing them up to the ways of the Lord. You will make plenty of mistakes, but if you have our Lord in the midst of your family, they will be guided by the Holy Spirit. Wake up a half hour before they do and rest in God’s presence before you start your day, with a rosary, a prayer or just a quiet time with Him who created you and embrace that silence, calming your spirits. Then Love your girls and together your will find your way closer to the heart of Jesus. I to fell into a whirlwind of sin before I have my family, but the Lord pulled me out of the muck and mire and cleansed my soul. If I hadn’t fallen so deep I do not believe I would have been pulled up so high. I often wonder why my fall was so deep, but then if not I would probably be a mediocre Catholic, picking and choosing what I felt was good, a cafeteria Catholic, but instead I feast at the Banquet of Love. I feast with the King. So your moniker, loveconquers is your answer. Give them to God, they are really His anyway. Love. I do. Diane

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    • Catholicmom says:

      I have seven kids. I started out home schooling my first. But with so many other little ones around, I didn’t think I could do an adequate job. So I put all of them in public school for many years. I watched the schools and the children who attended them change drastically over the years. My children were becoming miserable going to school, having to put up with the awful atmosphere. They asked me to home school them, and I was frightened, but I prayed about the decision – a lot! We’ve now been home schooling for two years (this starts our third) and I can honestly say it was the best decision I ever made for my family. We have some pretty good Catholic schools where I live, but they’re totally out of our reach financially. I was worried about teaching my now 10th grader Chemistry, but we’ve found a Catholic hybrid school where my kids can go once a week (some are twice a week) and it’s so helpful to have the teacher and classroom setting. So my point is, maybe God doesn’t want you to home school. Or maybe he does? I would encourage you to pray about it. I wish I’d had the courage to do it all those years ago. Our family would have been so much better off. The curriculum that we use is Mother of Divine Grace and it is so simple to use in the younger years, especially. Everything is scripted for you – you couldn’t mess it up. And they provide a counselor for you if you like for phone consultations. I just know I used to worry so much about their schooling, and now I see where God helps us take care of that too, if I only put Him first.

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    • loveconquers says:

      diane and catholic mom. Thank you so much for the beautiful words. I cherish them and find comfort in knowing that there are other mom’s out there with the same desires, fears, struggles and faith!

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      • lambzie37 says:

        If there was one thing I regret raising my children it was that I did not choose to homeschool them. Homeschooling was just coming into vogue just as our kids were starting to head to school and like you, Loveconquers, I did not feel qualified.
        True my children have been educated well, in terms of strictly academic standard, but they were educated far beyond that in that they were educated in the ways of the world without enough of us as parents contrasting those ways with God’s ways. Pray pray pray and when you can sing because, as we all know, St. Augustine says when we sing we pray twice..

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        • Doug says:

          Lambzie, you did (and are still doing) a remarkable job raising our kids. You have done the best as you knew how as I believe is true for most all of us here. It is now time for us to let the lover of all souls take over and for us to continue to hold them and all children up in prayer. What a joy it is to have you in my life.

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        • Barb129 says:

          Lambzie, I homeschooled our children and I am still glad I did but it is not a guarantee. Two of my children fell away after they went to college and became friends with other young people who were raised differently. The pull of the secular lifestyle is very strong.
          I can’t tell you how many times I’ve thought back and wished I would have done somethings different but I know that I did the best I could with where I was spiritually at the time. I keep praying and trusting that our dear Blessed Mother will pray too and bring them back someday. Your prayers and her prayers will bring yours back too I believe. Hugs to you…

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    • ykc says:

      loveconquers, the Holy Spirit will guide you in homeschooling. Do not be afraid. I suggest that you find other Catholic homeschoolers in your area as soon as possible. Don’t wait until your girls are “old enough” for school. These families will become your closest friends. They will have younger children also, and I think you will find that you have much in common. You will give each other strength in the chaos that is to come. You have much to offer them when the time comes. God bless.

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  3. Julia says:

    When our children were growing up sex education was not yet being pushed on children in the junior school.
    When my oldest daughter was eight or nine years old, she came home from junior school one day and said to me like she was the adult and I was the child. Oh mummy you don’t need to worry about telling me all about how babies are made. I have open reading at school and I found a book all about babies and read it. It would have been age appropriate. It was a Catholic school.
    I don’t know how it works these days; but once they had covered all the junior reading material in that school they could choose from the school library, hence madam found the book. I just said to her oh, well done. And we carried on getting the evening meal ready.

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  4. Joe Crozier says:

    I wrote much of this this a couple of days ago and copied it to a friend for review as I was not sure if I should post it. I am sure now. I was actually quite angry with Susan’s article and I have found its best to wait until that subsides before commenting. My friend put me right on a couple of things by speaking highly of Susan and her provenance but now I am ready to face the fury this may induce. I do not write it in anger. I have not rehearsed what I write nor have I received any assistance in its composition. It is all my own work so blame only me if you don’t like it.

    Where in the Vatican program is it advocated that parents should abdicate or shirk or relinquish their responsibilities with regard to sex education? From what I have seen and heard most parents are desperately poorly equipped to teach the facts of life. This program is an excellent aid to such a process. To educate is to draw the best out of a child. ( e ducare – to lead out ) Now that is where parents do have an inbuilt ability – sex education rather than just teaching facts of life. They know their children. Nowadays pediatric students are taught the importance of really listening to the parents when they bring their child for a consultation. A degree in medicine sometimes lacks a degree of experience. On the flip side experience may lack expertise. I don’t have children but I am in a privileged position and many parents talk to me about such things. There is also a huge difference between teaching and education. It takes a special skill to apply both, a skill that is often beyond that of parenting alone.

    The Vatican program goes to great pains to draw clear distinction between sex and sexuality. It not only teaches the facts of life well but suggests how these facts can be best integrated into Catholic life. Contrary to stated opinion, it does address sin but in a way that is digestible to youth just as a good homily helps the faithful to digest and integrate the word of God. The average age of those attending was 17 and for this age group especially the program was a great vehicle in which wrong thinking could be safely and effectively redirected. Susan Skinner’s negative projections and out of context extractions ignored this hugely beneficial potential. This program could serve as a great aid to parents who are struggling to help their children come to a better appreciation of their true value and their rightful place in God’s world.

    I treat many young patients (Always with their parents present) and am often highly impressed with their insights, honesty and maturity. They hate to be patronized and can see though such strategies very quickly. This program addresses their real needs in a real world in a real and healthy way. To my way of thinking an immense of intelligent research, work and good will has gone into its formation. Young people today have to deal with issues that were never even considered by previous generations. Parents need all the help they can get. This program provided such assistance. Of course it is open to abuse but what isn’t.

    Sure there is room for improvement in the program but it’s a dam good start. That having been said I must add that our Church us not in the business of corrupting morals or children. Many people still accuse it of such things and wrongly equate priesthood with perversion. The clergy are no longer above criticism as they often were before Vatican II. The safety of children is now of primary concern and we should be proud of the mechanisms that have been put in place to this end. We are the only Church who has tried to make amends for harm done and to officially institute such safety programs. The figures suggested for abuse in other Christian denominations are actually worse than those in the Catholic Church.

    In the secular world the teaching profession comes off pretty badly too. Of course no- one talks about the child abuse endemic in Islamic countries that would be far too costly. Some allegations are only just emerging about Bhuddist and Hindu abuse. There is even evidence that suggests the media were paid off not to publish some investigations of other denominations. We take enough crap from outside. We don’t need more from inside. Just as we will be expected to defend our children when Islam holds the knife to their throats so we should defend the territory that our Church has reclaimed and restored and where it continues to make good for past deficit. I am not happy to say it but in my opinion articles such as Susan’s do nothing to encourage or restore Faith in our Church, her ability or her integrity.

    Articles such as the above undermine the good efforts of the Church to meet current challenges that have never been met before. In my eyes they devalue the talent and courage of faithful Catholic leaders in their effort to support and guide our youth. They not only imply that the Church is not competent to teach but has not the competence to assist in the learning process. It even sounds an accusatory tone that in my opinion is totally unwarranted. Such articles are neither well informed nor do they inform well. It is still the role of the parent to educate and give good example. The Pope himself says this. This program does nothing to contradict this but actually facilitates this commission.

    I hope readers take the time to examine the program and to see it in the true light of its good intention and effective ministry.

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    • YongDuk says:

      Thank you, Joe!

      That is all I am going to say, knowing the ire that can be raised. Susan and many in the States speak from the perspective of decency being trampled upon.

      Fr. Groeschel did much to try to enable Parents to counter the media storm, but how many have carried through with it in writing corporate sponsors?

      Knowing Australian and Kiwi television programming, excepting shows brought in from abroad, there is a vast difference, including in commercials.

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    • janet says:

      Thank you Joe…One only has to look through the search engines to see that it is lifesite news who is the main accuser. They make me so mad! Of course the biblicalfalse prophet site had to join in… and as I have previously posted the leader of that sect is a convicted paedophile! I thought the Vatican’s sex ed’s programme was perfectly alright for the age group it was aimed at.

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      • Snowy Owl says:

        Amen, Janet. When saw that name (again!) my hackles went right up.

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      • Joj says:

        Janet, sorry about linking to that site. I am so used to even good sites criticizing the Pope (which I hate!) that I did not realize they were a bad site. I am so glad you are on top of things! Since I didn’t have time to read the program, I was looking for something that laid out point by point the pros and cons of the program, which is what they did. I find everyone has the own biases so I look for objective points, when I can’t read the original myself.

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        • janet says:

          Most people wouldn’t know Joj. Lifesite news have a wonderful reputation for their prolife work so everyone expects them report fairly on other matters. Sad to say for the last few years they haven’t been fair or accurate when writing about the Pope.

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    • Patricia says:

      oe C,
      I reply to you with the utmost respect for your opinion but humbly disagree with it.
      I do have four grown children who were in Catholic grade school in the 90’s when the Catholic nun,
      who was the principal, introduce sex ed as the new religion curriculum. My husband and I are attorneys and I was in elective office at the time as way of background. We were upset with the course. First, although he was not in church and I was barely back in church, we instinctively knew that it was usurping our position as parents. Needless to say, after my older two, then in second and fourth grade, had a few classes, they had no more. By the time the school year ended the pastor had had enough and he brought the normal religion classes back. (Not that they were anything to write home about either).
      So having had direct experience with this and now seeing that the Vatican wishes to institute their carefully drawn out program, I can only say it is not their job. As someone said above, it would be fine if it were for the parents so that they may teach their kids but it is never fine to do this as loco parentis. JP ll gave us Theology of the Body. Many authors, especially young authors, have put this into very readable form for older teenagers and young adults. That should be the first thing they are given by the church. I do not wish to go on about the points written in the post except to say generations thrived and lived to have families without formal sex ed. They had loving families and parents who taught by example and maybe some explanation prior to a wedding. Today the culture in many ways have informed and polluted the child before he or she is even 10. By ten they know about sex, unless one home schools. It is just impossible to avoid it. Only the parents can protect the child and only with Mass, the Rosary and constant care and prayer. So for the church to come up with their own program, is nothing short of disingenuous if not dishonest when that program is strictly secular, without mention of mortal sin. It is not a program that should be promulgated by the Roman Catholic Church. Finally, as oft is said, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
      Sincerely,
      Patricia

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      • Joe Crozier says:

        God looks to the intention of the heart and in all things God works for the good – especially in the work of his church. And it us His Church. I reiterate that the Vatican program neither deprives nor denies the rights and responsibilities of parents in its regard. Thank you for sharing details of your background. It may be you are applying a legal hermeneutic but one that lacks logic or reliable evidence. A reductionist viewpoint does not help in this field. It must be expansive and inclusive while at the same time considering individual circumtances.
        Your perspective arises from the mistakes of one inept nun and from this concludes that the program is harmful and driven by ulterior motives. Go figure. It does deal with serious sin just not in the oppressive and suppressive ways of the past. I reiterate, it deals with sexuality as well as sex. Most people don’t even have a clue what this means. The Church does. This course was age approriate.
        You say the program should be excuded from Catholic teaching because it does not directly address mortal sin. Apart from the fact that it does address this issue I wonder how many priests you know have pointed out from the pulpit that if someone is using artificial contraceptive, or sleeping with their partner unmarried, or missing Sunday mass, or who have not made amends for serious theft or calumny they can’t receive. Do you think they should be defrocked for this neglect?
        The expertise and experience of such courses as these far exceeds that of parents and the general public and as such can assist in imparting knowledge and strategies to youth. We will have to agree to disagree on this. I fully support my church and my Pope in this enterprise of effective and healthy sex education.

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        • Patricia says:

          Joe C,
          First, I gave you my background so that you would treat me as an equal and not as the “desperately poorly equipped” parents that you are speaking about. (As an aside, Charlie and others here will tell you I usually am very reluctant to identify myself through adjectives or accomplishments and thought long and hard about saying what I did about myself). The second reason I gave that description of us is that you said you were in a “privileged position”. You did not care to say how and we are left guessing. I did not care to do that to you.
          As far as being a legal hermeneutic, we shall disagree.
          With regards to the “inept nun”, you should not let your imagination run away with yourself. This particular nun was, and is, not only especially bright, she is also, at different times, in positions of leadership in her order. She is certainly educated and, by far, a perfect example of the modern nun that the Vatican, under Benedict, was hoping to rein in. You know, the non-habit, make-up wearing, “we are going to be priests”, woman church type that celebrates and attends female “ordinations”. Furthermore, I happen to know for certain that she all of that because today I still know her well. (Although, having said all that about her, she would give you the shirt off her back). And, that Joe is who was introducing sex ed.
          And may I ask, what do priests, who fail to do the right thing, have anything to do with my argument?
          Joe , I believe and maybe I am wrong about this, but I believe you miss my entire point: parents, regardless of how “ill -equipped” you think they are, are the number one, and the only ones, who should be teaching their kids, the only ones. If they ask for help, great. The Vatican program should be geared to parents. As a parent, I know that.

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          • YongDuk says:

            Deep breath.

            One of the evils of Satan, and I think I waned eloquent about this, is dual job if not quadruple job families.

            Parents are failing and a lot of thatt has to do with socioeconomic pressures.

            I am not saying the Schools should take over, but that the Hierarchy has a responsibility, as it is indeed responsible for all Her Souls under Her care.

            If we were all at a a table, I would likely disagree with all of you on all your points taken together, but I would sift through the good and throw away the bad and then play it out to subsidiarity with the two or three of you opposing each other (it seems) reporting to me or my advisors. If any one proves an obstacle to the system, I would remove you swiftly, but fairly

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    • I appreciate your perspective. I still say though, a curriculum that recommends movies like, “Love and Other Drugs” is not a good curriculum. The age on the curriculum noted in my article is 10th grade, which is not 17 year olds. I did not mean to sound accusatory in tone, as I realize that our church is actually trying to help with the moral deficit our society is in. But I wonder, how many people thought of the fact that showing breasts with XXX on top of them might actually cause a kid to go home and look up XXX if perhaps they did not know what that meant before or that if they did know, it would trigger further exploration? I find most of the time people have good intentions. But what you miss from my perspective is, I have actual souls in my house that will be affected by this. You said your young patients hate to be patronized, and I agree, everyone hates that. I have personally been patronized by a school that told me what is best for my son, and that I didn’t know what’s best and they would rather lose my tuition than not teach their “awesome” curriculum to my son, whom they had not even met yet. You stated that nowhere does it state parents should be sidestepped, but it is implied, because the curriculum is not for the parents — it’s for the children and educators. I will reiterate, if we want to help, then help the parents help the kids. You stated everything has the potential for abuse, and you are correct. I have seen it personally, and it effected the souls in my house. My point was, these things can be discussed in a more beautiful way. The link to the New Ascension Press curriculum at the end is case in point. I come from a family of teachers. I know we can do better than this. Starting with removing the pictures and the recommendations of highly inappropriate movies and formulating the curriculum to be for parents, and then using educators and the church to help the parents dialogue with the kids. I am not saying the church and educators don’t need to help, I am saying they have gone about it wrong. But I respect your opinion Joe, and so we may just need to agree to disagree.

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      • I would further say, that I do think we should always aim for the ideal. St. John Vianney did not transform his town by calling all the children into church and teaching them without their parents there, he actually went out to the homes, to the domestic church, and he ended up transforming his whole town. We won’t transform people with these kinds of programs. We transform people through relationship where they can encounter the Living God. https://veilofveronica.wordpress.com/2016/07/22/the-living-god/

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      • Joe Crozier says:

        I agree with your last sentence.

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      • Christene says:

        With all due respect, a DAY AFTER the program was rolled out at World Youth Day,
        here are some the headlines that greeted it;

        At World Youth Day, Vatican releases teen sex-ed program that leaves out parents and mortal sin: Lifesite News

        New Vatican sex-ed program off the rails: The Catholic Thing

        World Youth Day Sex Ed Sex Abuse: Arise! Let Us Be Strong

        Vatican Launches Explicit Sex Education Program for Teenagers at World Youth Day: Novus Ordo Watch

        Vatican sex ed ‘surrenders’ to sexual revolution: Life and family leaders react: Lifesite News

        Amoris Laetitia Paves Way For Immoral Sex Ed At World Youth Day: Restore DC Catholicism

        Sex-Ed Program Unveiled at World Youth Day: Another Poisoned Fruit of Amoris Laetitia: Les Femmes-the Truth

        Don’t you find the almost immediate knee-jerk reaction to this extremely lengthy and comprehensive document slightly problematic?? Or am I to believe that in a span of 24, 48, or 72 hours all of these people prayerfully read, digested, reflected upon, and discussed its contents before blasting their opinions across the Internet. Did you?

        But it really doesn’t matter now, does it. The template has been has been laid, hysteria has been seeded, and the well of thoughtful, reasoned discussion thoroughly poisoned. Let’s hope, for the sake of you tar and feather, pitchfork and torches folks, that you are correct and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is not to be found be found in the pages of Pontifical Council for Families document. Otherwise, things could get a little dicey.

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        • charliej373 says:

          I completely agree with you on this, Christene. There seemed to be a pack mentality set to attack the program, rather than to actually consider it. It is one of the reasons I asked Susan to write this piece. I knew she had real experience in this field, that she had a truly classic approach to it, and that she could be a critic of some elements of the Vatican’s program without reflexively trashing the Vatican.

          I, frankly, have been disgusted by the Catholic media’s immediate trashing of this initiative without giving it due consideration. It has some problematic areas, but to read much of Catholic media, you would think it had been compiled by Hugh Hefner.

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        • Actually Christene I have been dealing with this subject since March. And all things have been considered very prayerfully. Do you think I would put myself out there to be attacked if I hadn’t. I certainly don’t enjoy being called hysterical or a tar and pitch fork person. What is actually dicey is to not speak up when we see wrong. It doesn’t take long to see the problems with the curriculum. When we compromise with the culture we get what we allowed to happen. And right now our acceptance of wrong has gotten the culture where it is right now.

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          • Frank says:

            Your critics should be mindful that you were invited to write this article. I think your critical analysis was respectful and did not contain the mean-spiritedness that is so common in commentary today. I’m sorry that some commenters here have lumped you with the anti-Francis crowd and have accused you of undermining the Church’s authority. That is not to say that I agree with your position — I’ll have to study the document myself. God bless you!

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          • Thank you Frank. I quoted our Pope in my article and have a great love for the Holy Father and Holy Mother Church. I just feel the need to speak out when I see something wrong. I like to think of it as a family working things out.

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        • Beckita says:

          Excellent point, Christene.

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        • Joj says:

          Please refrain from Ad Hominem attacks. Christine.

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      • yooper mike says:

        Give the devil an inch and he’ll take a mile. This idea of the vatican showing examples of pornography as sex education is rediculous. I don’t read too many of the comments on this site, but I wonder about some of the people who make a comment. What their intentions are really about. I was taught the basics about sex from my parents, who where a little shy, telling us about it. I was doing good until I found a playboy magazine at age 12, then I lost my innocence. It polluted my mind for the rest of my life( “an inch” for a mile”)
        Now I resort to it when I’m depressed and alone. I need to ask the Blessed Mother for help and say the Holy Rosary more often. God please help us! Pope Francis is opening too many doors. He needs to think about what it will cause before he easily opens them.

        See how bad things really are? So many people have given in a little and its changed the way society looks at sexuality, marriage and everything else God has given mankind to enjoy. What a storm it is It’s been hard at times wondering how long its going to last and what’s coming next? Are we loosing hope? Little by little and it seems like God is allowing it to happen for a good reason. We need to take our country back, as well as we need to take our church back. “Trust in Jesus even more”

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        • charliej373 says:

          Well, I think almost all the people who comment here, whether wrong or right, generally have proper intentions. Don’t fall into the trap of thinking that because someone disagrees with you, they have bad intentions. That, actually, is a form of pride – to believe oneself to be so pure that the only way someone could disagree is because they are not pure. The Socratic Method, a series of questions and debates to help find and illuminate truth, is prominent here. It doesn’t work unless there is a substantial reservoir of goodwill in all involved. I feel rather proud that we do have a diversity of ideas and perspectives here, among people who largely seek to build each other up.

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        • Doug says:

          Hi Mike, do I correctly read it’s still a struggle for you? If so, do not give up on God. He has completely heal me of this struggle via our Lady of Medjugorje. God bless you!

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        • janet says:

          “Pope Francis is opening too many doors.”

          Can you explain further?

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        • lambzie37 says:

          I say amen to your last sentence.

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    • Christene says:

      Thank you, Joe! I concur completely with your comment.

      There is something so insidious that is creeping into the Church since the election of Pope Francis and it shrouds itself in so many layers of “orthodoxy” and “fidelity” that trying to identify it is like trying to catch a puff of smoke. You can’t pin it down, you just catch the occasion whiff of its telltale stench.
      There is a shadow Church that is being established, filled with people who are so much more “learned” than the Holy Father, who feel it is their duty to “protect” the integrity of the faith, who have elevated themselves into the position, in the eyes of some corners of the Church, of actually protecting the faithful!
      From who???
      From the Holy Father and the elements of the Magisterium itself!!
      Seriously people???

      Let’s be very, very, VERY careful before we step out to condemn that which we may not fully understand. I have said this before; there was once a group of very pious and religious people who were so sure they knew the mind of God, they ended up nailing his son to a tree.

      As for out Blessed Mother, I think we would do well to ponder these facts;
      *the first people she welcomed into her home to adore the Christ child were a band of scraggly mountain shepherds.
      “To the right-minded in high places, mountain shepherds were the very scum of Israel, men of violence, thieves, perjurers, scorners of the Law: men accustomed to fighting off wolves were less likely than men of quieter lives to be in fear of scribes.” from “To Know Christ Jesus” by Frank Sheed
      *the next to be welcomed by her were the wise men from the East.
      “But magi were not kings. The name has a lower and a higher application. It was used for men who were sorcerers, astrologers, workers of magic generally—like that Simon Magus, who tried to buy the Holy Spirit from Saint Peter, and is immortalized in the sin of simony. But it was used also for men of learning, students of the stars certainly, but serious philosophers too, not magicians but sages.” from “To Know Christ Jesus” by Frank Sheed
      *Her son chose as his disciples an uneducated band of lowly Galilean fishermen, a tax collector, and a political zealot. In the eyes of the pious and religious Jews of the day, he hung out with complete losers.
      *one of those closest to Mary was a notorious former prostitute.
      *she welcomed back with unconditional love and acceptance the very people who abandoned her son in his darkest hour and even those who had a hand in his death.

      So let’s not play the “what would the Blessed Mother think” game. We don’t have a clue.

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      • Joj says:

        With all due respect, Christene, your comment begs the question. We are trying to objectively discuss whether this program is appropriate for children, and there are good points being made on both sides. Nobody is condemning anyone. And this is not in the least an attack on the Pope or the Vatican. It is about parents wishing to exercise their right to fulfill a God-given duty.

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      • janet says:

        .Wow! Christene. You told it exactly as it is. Marvelous!

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      • Pondering what we would feel about our own acts in front of the Blessed Mother is in know way suggesting we know her mind or the mind of God. It’s just one form of examination of conscience and we are supposed to do that everyday.

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      • Patricia says:

        Christene,
        “So let’s not play the “what would the Blessed Mother think” game. We don’t have a clue.”

        I do not think we need to play a game with regards to what the BVM would think. She has been telling us through the centuries via church approved apparitions what she thinks: from LaSallette, where she said priests and bishops would do untoward things to Fatima where she said lack of purity is a major cause of going to hell.

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    • Joj says:

      Joe, This is not about who is competent, but whether this topic is appropriate to be discussed in public. JPII puts a huge emphasis on “shame” as a gift from God to protect our dignity. Our sexuality is extremely sacred and to be hidden and protected from those who do not love us intimately. Those are, up to a certain point, parents and of course spouses. Not teachers, not classmates, not buddies or dates! Not TV evangelists, or uncles. Doctors and priests in one respect, with a parent present, in private, for serious reasons.

      I cannot say it enough. It is immoral to destroy kid’s healthy shame, which is their greatest protection, by talking about their deepest sexuality in public! Even if they have already lost that shame, it is our duty to restore and protect it, not to become an accomplice to the loss.

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  5. Anne says:

    The entire world needs a massive healing….. An experience of genuine Love. How can the very broken little children that I see all around me at school ever grow up and have a true marriage …. Unless they are given the Truth and are healed! We are truly waiting on God but in the meantime we are to do what we can through His Grace for those around us!
    That is the reality!!

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  6. Noah603 says:

    Thank you for the affirmation!

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  7. Mack says:

    I haven’t read the Vatican curriculum so I’m just giving a link here to a review, from Life Site News, which points out some of the problems with it.

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    • charliej373 says:

      Hi Mack, I have respect for much of the work of LifeSite News – and even link to it. But I edited out the link you provided because, on this subject, they have seemed to go for the lurid at the expense of accuracy or fairness. They had me all upset with their first article on this, then when I surveyed the actual work, I found that while it had some questionable aspects, it was much less objectionable than LifeSite News led me to expect. LifeSite exaggerated the lurid, ignored the reasonable, and painted a very distorted picture of what the Vatican was doing with this. So I won’t use their stuff on this subject only, because I have found they lack judiciousness and fairness on it.

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  8. It’s been stormy lately, so I’ve had a mess to clean up out back the past couple of days while also giving some serious thought to the topic and and various other perspectives.

    I didn’t want to get back at it this morning, but finally did after experiencing an unexpected burst of enthusiasm for yard work. I also have help on some Saturdays, so was happy to see my friend ready to go. Physically he’s a mountain of a guy, but he has a gentle face like a cookie.

    I wanted to make sure I was up and at it before Cookie got started, because I found a baby bird on the ground last night. That’s typical this time of year with the storms.

    Our first order of business was making sure the little bird was out of harm’s way. Since Cookie’s English is pretty spotty, and my Spanish isn’t much better, we’re in the habit of using as few words as possible (yeah, I’m capable of that believe it or not). More importantly, we really find it vital to watch the other guy’s face and expressions intensely, and pick up all the other non-verbal stuff that sometimes gets overlooked. I wish you could have seen Cookie’s face when he saw the baby bird.

    In short order, we had the baby bird (a Mourning Dove) resting peacefully in the hammock. Here’s a pic of our little charge:

    That’s a Mourning Dove. I’m behind the camera grinning. Cookie is standing on the other side of the hammock with a big grin on his face too.

    Oh, it just really struck me how God sees to our needs in ALL things. Even this baby bird.

    Faith.

    I just had to run in here on break and share that, but I better get back out there before Cookie thinks I’m slacking.

    God Bless,

    MP

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    • janet says:

      Thank you for sharing this with us, MP I hope the little fella is ok?

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      • Janet, interesting you should ask. I went out to check on him first thing this morning. He was fine, but had flown down from the hammock to the base of a palm tree for some shade. I gave him a bottle top of water and some grub (literally, a grub) to help give him some energy.

        I checked again a couple of hours later but he was nowhere to be found. I even took one of the dogs out to sniff around, but she came up blank too. Finally, I went back to the spot where I had last seen him and noticed one adult feather. I’m guessing that feather belonged to his mom, and she finally got him launched to the safety of a nearby tree.

        When Big Cookie asks I’m giving him the same report –– accept for the guessing part. Mom came and they both flew away.

        Whatever the case, Snowy assures me that I’ll see them both again flying around Heaven somewhere.

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    • Doug says:

      Such profundity in the simple little things MP. Much we can learn from that. So glad you are here.

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    • Ed Allison says:

      Too bad you don’t raise mealworms! The little guy would have had a feast! 😉

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      • YongDuk says:

        See? The mealworm guy?

        Why does MP pick on me and not make funny little cartoon creatures (say with a propellerhead and flappy feet) regarding you?

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        • Oh, YD, that’s not picking.

          I was debating long and hard on whether or not to share the final, tragic update on the little bird.

          I thought I heard a cat making a ruckus out back last night, so went to investigate in case that little bird was involved. I shined a flashlight in the spot by the palm tree first, and found a snake there which I shooed away. In the melee, I accidentally stepped on the bird to such an extent that I had to put him down quickly and mercifully. Words can’t describe the horrified shock and emotion of that situation.

          After that, I had to help my oldest move in with some pals for the new semester. Naturally it was tough on the family in some respects, particularly his younger brother. They always like to razz each other as a sign of affection, so I wasn’t quite sure how the ‘goodbyes’ would go. The younger one was uncharacteristically speechless, but apparently he video’d the moment on his phone, then locked himself in his room.

          Later, I got a text from the younger one with the video and these words: “Saddest moment ever!”

          I closed the day out sitting out back in the dark, save for the faint glow of a cigar. Sighed. Sat there with Jesus. Sighed. Thought about TNRS. Chuckled about “MP’s Corner.” Sighed. My little footnotes on page 14 below the Obituaries are really just TNRS. Do the little right in front of you. If God really wants us to do something big, He’ll put it right in front of us.

          Little… big… the more I slog on, the more it just seems like a needless distinction. There’s sorrow and joy in it either way. Count this as one of those rare instances where I share some of the sorrow, but joy always wins out with me because I keep my eyes fixed on the Prize.

          It may be messy on the surface, but we can do this!

          Jesus, we trust in You!

          MP

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          • janet says:

            Regarding your boys…It’s so good when they get on well together.
            The little bird is in paradise now.

            Yes MP keep your eyes on the prize….

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          • jlynnbyrd says:

            MP, that is so sad. Every year in the high grass we have baby bunnies we fear stepping on or mowing over. We’ve caught a few and no agency wants to deal with them. We bring them to a nature loving neighbor with a large yard that is backed up against the woods and they either make it or they help to sustain other forms of life.

            …and to dust we shall return.

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          • Snowy Owl says:

            I’m sorry MP. 💔

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          • Doug says:

            I cherrish the joys as well as I cherrish the sadness. I am ever grateful to be alive and know that the God of the universe loves me. I am grateful for all my trials (does not mean I have to like them) and I embrace them and trust God is going to work something bigger and better. To quote YD, “Carry on” Michael.

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          • Beckita says:

            What a day, MP! Prayers for your boys, and your whole family, as they each carry on as God calls each one.

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          • Yes, I agree, Doug. Like everyone, I sometimes have those periods of sighing and melancholy where I let go of Joy. Birds and snakes. Then the old snake comes around to exploit the breach with insinuations and accusations on much weightier matters.

            Your thoughts led me to pondering Luke 12:48 (..and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.) Seems like folks often equate that with the person who has been entrusted with much position, authority, wealth, etc. How about the one who has been entrusted with much suffering and a heavy cross? Rare and blessed is the person who can look upon that as having been entrusted with much and answer God with a “yes” when He asks.

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          • Doug says:

            I look forward to having a beer with you after the rescue when we can unbuckle our crosses for a while and enjoy each others company. I’m polishing that red wagon for our trip. Yes. Polishing it with faithfulness, kindness and love so it shines bright when we travel.

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        • Ed Allison says:

          Well, YD…., you definitely do not disappoint! That comment was more for you than it was for MP.

          On another note, folks here may remember that I had asked for prayers that the storm hold off long enough for the baptism of the 3 children of friends of ours. My wife and I were to be the godparents. Well, the baptism was this past Sunday! So, that is now behind us. But it looks like there will be another in the Spring, because she is pregnant again! God bless them and keep them all safe!

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        • O.K., YD. But you have to let me get there by degrees. Here’s one for Ed (with a cameo from our favorite green kung fu squirrel):

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        • Mick says:

          Hahaha! Aw, po’ widdle Young Duckie! But at least you got depicted as a cute little green squirrel. I somehow got depicted as Hambone (an, um, interesting look)! If I remember correctly, Biscuitsnita and not MP is to blame. Biscuits, am I right? 🙂

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  9. eileen says:

    Two years ago I contacted my diocese because of handouts given to My first graders asking “what do you do if someone touches you where you don’t want them to?”

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  10. janet says:

    I am totally against young children receiving sex education. They are being exposed to material that not only sexualises them, but for many it’s all too frightening!

    Maranatha!

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    • Snowy Owl says:

      Janet, but who else is going to teach the kids at this point in time? Their parents are letting them have free reign on the net and TV etc. etc. Parents today choose careers, divorce, just about anything over family. Run Run Run, me me me. They are not home, never there for their kids…and when they do get home, the kids are just another job and they need their personal time. I have seen this so much I just can’t tell you…I have heard mothers say I would never stay home because I need this or I need that…what they are looking for is attention with no thought to what their kids need. Someone else can do it.
      Here’s how I see it..maybe I’m wrong or too extreme? I think when Pope Leo VIII heard Satan ask for his 100 years, everyone immediately thought of and feared for the Church.. but Satan knew he could never destroy the Church, so instead he attacked the foundations of society by destroying the family. The family is where it is safest for children to learn, children learn and are open to truth when they are loved and protected. This is what God had always intended. Today, as we all see, the family is in shambles but now it has infected the entire world. Generations have been lost due to this. Now the Church is trying to heal this, to help because its a crisis unlike any other. It’s what the Church has always done..almost like the Dark Ages all over again. If the Church doesn’t reach out, who will teach these kids? It’s a spiritual battle for souls and for the world. I’m happy the Church is picking up the pieces and helping to save so many lost souls and if the way the Church is approaching this isn’t perfect yet, it will get straightened out, it always does (enter Storm and Rescue somewhere here)… Whole generations will be helped so when they get married, the families can begin healing and once again take their proper place as the true educators of their children. I left a lot out, I know- didn’t want go on and on..we all know this, right?

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    • Joj says:

      There is a psychological period of “latency” which must be respected.

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    • Doug says:

      I agree Janet!

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  11. Snowy Owl says:

    “Father, deliver us from all evil.
    With your holy wisdom, Lord, save us from all sin.
    In the name of all those who love You, Lord, lead us on the right road. Amen.

    Read proverbs 2:1-11.
    He who prays this prayer during nine consecutive days, together with a rosary,
    will receive a very special grace from me.”
    Our lady at San Nicholas.

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  12. Christene says:

    I ran across this quote by our Holy Father contained within an interview done by America Magazine August 2013;

    “I see clearly,” the pope continues, “that the thing the church needs most today is the ability to heal wounds and to warm the hearts of the faithful; it needs nearness, proximity. I see the church as a field hospital after battle. It is useless to ask a seriously injured person if he has high cholesterol and about the level of his blood sugars! You have to heal his wounds. Then we can talk about everything else. Heal the wounds, heal the wounds…. And you have to start from the ground up…….”
    “How are we treating the people of God? I dream of a church that is a mother and shepherdess. The church’s ministers must be merciful, take responsibility for the people and accompany them like the good Samaritan, who washes, cleans and raises up his neighbor. This is pure Gospel. God is greater than sin. The structural and organizational reforms are secondary—that is, they come afterward. The first reform must be the attitude. The ministers of the Gospel must be people who can warm the hearts of the people, who walk through the dark night with them, who know how to dialogue and to descend themselves into their people’s night, into the darkness, but without getting lost. The people of God want pastors, not clergy acting like bureaucrats or government officials. The bishops, particularly, must be able to support the movements of God among their people with patience, so that no one is left behind. But they must also be able to accompany the flock that has a flair for finding new paths.
    “Instead of being just a church that welcomes and receives by keeping the doors open, let us try also to be a church that finds new roads, that is able to step outside itself and go to those who do not attend Mass, to those who have quit or are indifferent. The ones who quit sometimes do it for reasons that, if properly understood and assessed, can lead to a return. But that takes audacity and courage.”

    That has been the mission of our Holy Father for the past 3 1/2 years. And how has that mission been received? In many cases, with suspicion, derision, and outright hostility and rebellion, especially from those in the wing of the Church that touts itself as the bastion of orthodoxy and fidelity.
    I listed the headlines that greeted the introduction of the sexual education program by the Pontifical Council for Families the DAY AFTER it was rolled out at World Youth Day. For those who missed my comment, here is a small sampling;

    At World Youth Day, Vatican releases teen sex-ed program that leaves out parents and mortal sin: Lifesite News

    New Vatican sex-ed program off the rails: The Catholic Thing

    World Youth Day Sex Ed Sex Abuse: Arise! Let Us Be Strong

    Vatican Launches Explicit Sex Education Program for Teenagers at World Youth Day: Novus Ordo Watch

    Vatican sex ed ‘surrenders’ to sexual revolution: Life and family leaders react: Lifesite News

    Amoris Laetitia Paves Way For Immoral Sex Ed At World Youth Day: Restore DC Catholicism

    Sex-Ed Program Unveiled at World Youth Day: Another Poisoned Fruit of Amoris Laetitia: Les Femmes-the Truth

    Reading these knee-jerk, reactionary headlines 24,48,72 hours after this very lengthy and comprehensive document was unveiled (you will hard pressed to find an even mildly friendly reading of it) it seems clear to me that minds were made up long before the print hit the pages and was pre-judged so unworthy of consideration that any thought of a PRAYERFUL reading, digestion, contemplation, and discussion of the document before blasting opinions about it across the four corners of the Internet was deemed wholly unnecessary.

    How in the world has the Church come to such a sorry state? Here is what I have observed these past 22 years in the Church.

    Since becoming Catholic in 1994, I have listened to this unrelenting narrative that goes something like this;
    All of the ills we are experiencing in the Church today can be pinned on one event: Vatican ll. That, somehow, if that event just hadn’t taken place, if only we had kept things as they had always been, we, and the world, would not be in the mess we are now in. That the horrid scandals that have befallen the Church the past 30 years would never had happened if only we had kept Gregorian chant, the Mass in Latin, the St. Michael prayer, boy only alter servers, veils, incense, bells, communion on the tongue (choose your scapegoat)………I could go on and on and on.
    So for 50 YEARS the battle has raged within; conservative vs. liberal, progressive vs. tradition, right vs. left, women vs. men, feminists, traditionalists, theologians, journalists, bloggers and now even some cardinals and bishops, all shouting over one another, so sure that THEIR vision of how the Church should be structured is correct, so that now, even the Holy Father and the Magisterium are called to be suspect. And in this cacophony, the Holy Spirit has been whispering. Who has been listening??

    I am providing a link to a story by Indian Country from 2011 about the survivors of the Holy Rosary Mission in Pine Ridge South Dakota. Read it. Especially if your are of the mindset that everything in the Church prior to 1965 was all Bing Crosby, Fulton Sheen, and the Song of Bernadette. It is brutal but it represents a reality that was taking place in Catholic boarding schools not only across this country but countries around the world where Indigenous people lived, especially Canada and Australia. And it didn’t just go on for a few years, it spanned DECADES, starting in the 1870’s on into the 1980’s.
    http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2011/07/28/south-dakota-boarding-school-survivors-detail-sexual-abuse-42420

    Learning about this almost destroyed my faith, but God in his unrelenting love, mercy, and faithfulness would not let me go and through the Blessed Mother I found my way back home. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING will ever drive a wedge between me and this Church that I love with my entire being ever again. Certainly not holier-than-thou fellow Catholics who want to convince me that their tiny little corner of the boat is the
    only part of Peter’s Barque that will provide safe passage.

    I am truly, truly sorry Charlie for being so harsh, and if you don’t publish this comment I will totally understand and probably will be very relieved, but I have to get this out because after 22 years of listening to this, I have had it up to my eyeballs.

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    • charliej373 says:

      Christene and I privately discussed this primal scream of a comment – as she seemed a little uncertain about it. I told her I didn’t find it offensive and that it reflected some of my own frustrations. I knew a woman who I became somewhat friends with…she had a near-death experience that was profound – and carried a lot of verisimilitude with it. She was an American Indian who was raised Catholic at such a boarding school. She privately discussed with me some hideous things that went on there – not for broadcast or publication – and how it hurt her and drove her from Catholicism. She embraced Mormonism…gave a lot of reasons, but it ultimately came down to finding kindness there. One of the saddest moments in our private talks was when she told me that she still found a lot of Catholic doctrine to ring true, and if she had met just a few Catholics who were like me, she probably would have never left, but that Indian children were treated like dirt there and there was no pity or kindness. I wonder who God will hold accountable for that.

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      • Doug says:

        As a practicing Catholic, I expect to be held more responsible. Lord have mercy on us!

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      • Christene says:

        I amend my comment. I failed to acknowledge the very heartfelt apology that Pope Francis issued in Bolivia July , 2015 to the Indigenous Peoples of the Americas for the grave sins committed against them during the centuries of conquest and colonialism. Perhaps the healing and reparation has begun. But perhaps as individual members of the Church we can take this acknowledgment and apology of Pope Francis and truly own it by offering up prayers, fasting, and sacrifices in reparation for the harm done. Let us turn to St. Tekakwitha and ask for her intercession and guidance in reaching out to those wounded communities on reservations across this country. There is an outstanding charity called the Native American Heritage Association that services the poorest and most destitute Native American communities which are found on Pine Ridge, Rosebud, and Standing Rock of South Dakota.

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    • Beckita says:

      Thank you, Christene. I think this is a comment filled with raw truth. SO much and SO many for whom to pray with untold tasks before us to set things right – ONLY by the Grace of God and our willingness to do whatever He asks of each one.

      I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. (Philippians 4:13)

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      • Christene says:

        Thank you Beckita. Please pray for me, because I am struggling. I am struggling to navigate these days within a Church I love with all my heart but I no longer recognize in many ways and understand even less.
        There is much, MUCH more to the story of me learning the full story of the Native American Catholic Boarding Schools that was very personal and very personally devasting for me spiritually.
        I came into the Church through a book I had read about a current apparition of the Blessed Mother and would describe my entrance into the Church as being like someone who had crawled through the desert for 33 years and then came upon an Oasis of such incomparable beauty and bounty that it took my breath away. The Eucharist was the river of Living Water and far as the eye could see its banks were filled with trees laden with more spiritual fruits than one person could consume in a hundred lifetimes. I was over the moon in love with the Church (I still am) and my days were spent devouring everything I could get my hands on to learn more about her. I fell in love with books and tapes by Scott Hahn and read the classics by Frank Sheed, Chesterton, Belloc, and C.S. Lewis. I was blessed to be able to take a two year E.P.S. Course through my diocese where we delved into the study of the Early Church Fathers, Vatican II, Systematic Theology, Classic Philosophy and so much more. The Church was my sanctuary and a refuge for my family and our days were filled with Mass, daily rosaries, Divine Mercy chaplets, catechesis, and getting to know our wonderful family in heaven. We lived in a blissful Catholic bubble for 12 years. Nothing could touch us. Not even the abuse scandal that was rocking the Church during those years shook me because I knew that priests were human and human beings failed and human beings fell, sometimes in monstrous ways, but JPII was at the helm. the New Evangelization was blossoming, and the Holy Spirit was on the March. Satan didn’t stand a chance.

        Funny thing about bubbles, however, Catholic or otherwise,…… they have a tendency to pop. You will never see the pinprick coming, but believe me, Satan will. Before you even have the chance to hear the pop, he will be on you with such speed and ferocity that you will find yourself in a spiritual battle the likes of which you have never experienced and are probably I’ll-equipped to fight. I know. I have the battle scars to prove it.
        Satan almost succeeded in devastating my faith and along with it, my marriage, my family, and my physical life. It wasn’t until April 28, 2012, when my 2 year old filly decided to lose her mind, bolt, buck, slam me into a wall, and break my neck that God was able to gather me and my broken body into His merciful arms, hand me back to the Blessed Mother and said, “NOW the healing can begin.” I awoke in the hospital as a C5 quadriplegic filled with an indescribable joy. I was free was the only thing I could think. And something wonder ours had just happened in my life.
        I am not talking about my broken body when I say this but my shattered spirit. You see, I am one of the walking wounded that Pope Francis was referencing in that early interview of his pontificate. I didn’t need just a field hospital, I need repeated emergency surgery and long-term rehabilitative care. Thank God Pope Francis was there to greet me when I came back to the Church because I had spent 3 1/2 years in the most suffocating darkness and despair, that had I not been greeted with his message of mercy and forgiveness, I don’t think I could have stepped back over the threshold. And there are BILLIONS of people out in this world who are the walking dead just like I was. There are millions in our Native American communities who are in desperate need of healing.

        I share all this as a cautionary tale to all those who like to spend their days trying to construct their perfect version of the Church. Who find themselves in perpetual conversations that revolve around “what ifs” “if onlys” and “this is how it should bes”. Who pick, pick, pick apart the work that Pope Francis is doing. The mission he is on is not about your personal comfort. It is not about your personal preferences or the maintenance of your bubble. Be careful. Be very, very, VERY careful. I don’t have to wait for the Storm that Charlie is predicting to hit to know what awaits the world. I spent three-and-a-half years living it. And I am here to tell you that Satan will shred to bits first all those who are so sure they have all of the answers.

        Peace to all here. May God have mercy on us all in the coming days. I humbly asked for prayers from you all and I promise I hold all of you in mine as we stumble forward into the gale force headwinds of the Storm.

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        • Beckita says:

          Praying for you, Christene, and all here. So many have been and are going through personal storms. I’ll remember you especially tomorrow morning as I begin my day praying a PMT for NRSteppers. I’m grateful Patricia suggested this as a daily practice.

          As impassioned as each of us can be as we live through our daily joys and struggles (and I have my share of this style of being), I continue to remember how profoundly God works in our lives when we remain in His Peace – no matter the difficulty. I see you are a voracious reader. I love to read as well. As I have been blessed to delve into the mystical literature of our Church, I have come upon this call to peace from Christ, again and again and again. His constant message conveys that when we choose peace, He has greater freedom to then work within our lives. I think it has everything to do with trust and surrender to His Process as He works things out for us. Oh! We have a definite part to shoulder – the ordinary, little things before us. Still, HE is the Victor over our battles while each and every one us goes through them in differing ways with different circumstances.

          May I suggest a great little book which fosters maintaining peace? https://www.amazon.com/Searching-Maintaining-Peace-Small-Treatise/dp/0818909064/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471376497&sr=8-1&keywords=searching+for+and+maintaining+peace

          I sometimes return to JMT’s rendition of a song reminding us of the ONE to Whom each battle belongs:

          May Christ imbue you, me and each one of us here with His Peace as we move forward in God’s Plan to renew us. God bless you, Christene.

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          • Christene says:

            Bless you, Beckita! Thank you so much! You never fail to be a beacon of kindness, gentleness, compassion, and faithfulness. I am going to rest and read and pray and contemplate now and let my Lord Jesus restore peace to my soul. I know all too well the mayhem Satan can wrought when one is in a state of confusion and agitation. My lips are zipped and my fingers are banned from typing a single word until I can come a place of peace and surrender.

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          • Beckita says:

            God bless you, Christene. Sometimes, I have been so interested in praying for others that I have forgotten to allow the Lord to take care of me. I know as we continue through this Storm, and actually through all of life, each of us needs to build in time for quiet and contemplation to clearly hear the Lord and to allow Him to continually renew and restore us interiorly.

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        • Doug says:

          Oh Christine, I entered the church in love with it as well. Understanding it is God’s church as Christ promised through Peter gives me great, great hope and comfort. I just went out with a friend tonight who is an alcoholic, on the wagon and participates in AA. We were talking a little about all the criticism of the Pope and he says that AA is changing away from God, but that does not deter him as he wants to help others get off their addiction and try to find God. The criticism in AA is not deterring him from going and helping. We both agreed that what is important is “what are we doing to make a difference in people’s lives?”. We both believe we need this Pope and God will some how take care of him and the church. Its a promise and, well, he’s God! I want to be found manning my post and I think that is doing the little in front of me. How do I love and respect my wife? Am I taking care of my kids? Am I kind to others? God bless you!

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          • lambzie37 says:

            You’re doing an awesome job! I love our church and our Pope. I for one will not concern myself with some speck in the Holy Father’s eye when there is this humongous Redwood in my eye. Two out of three times when I am in the confessional it has something to do with taming this wayward tongue of mine. Anything ambiguous or impetuous the Pope has said pales in comparison to what escapes from my lips.

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          • Doug says:

            But dear Lamzie, so much sweetness comes from your lips and in the things that you write. It us a joy to share my life with you. I cherish every bit of it from the struggles to the triumphs. I am still looking forward to that cup of together in our Kincade house of light in the heavenly realm. We’ll do that first before I go on the long wagon trip with MP, YD, Snowy and all our heavenly friends.

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        • homesteading heart says:

          Christene, thank you for your posts and your personal testimony. You have given me so much to contemplate. Sadly, I am one who at times has had the tendencies to act the way that you speak of. I am still learning and growing. Thanks to Mark Mallet, and now Charlie and all of you, I have prayerfully resisted the urge to jump with both feet onto that bandwagon. But I must confess that I was caught in a whirlwind of confusion with Pope Francis at first, and it was a real act of the will to trust him and the Holy Spirit. I had a profound ‘aha’ moment immediately after viewing the movie ‘Spotlight,” when the black screen was filled with the names of places where abuse had happened, and it just kept rolling, screen after screen. I was with my mother, and we both just burst into tears, grabbed each other, and sobbed, right there in the movie theater. At last I understood what the Pope is doing. There is so much brokenness and woundedness in the world, and we all need to be the Good Samaritan for each other, because we are all in need of healing. God forgive me for acting like a Pharisee at times. I’m still trying to understand the delicate balance between mercy and truth, which I do understand logically, but putting it into practice is such a struggle for me, as I am by nature a very “all or nothing” type of person. You are a very strong and courageous woman with much insight my friend.

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    • janet says:

      My goodness Christene..so much truth in your post!

      If only certain people knew the consequences of their actions as they boldly lead the faithful away from submission to the Roman Pontiff.

      Maranatha!

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  14. avaeadie says:

    “We have lost our sense of the wondrous works that God can provide if we only aim for them. We have also lost our sense of modesty, a tragedy to me since we have Saints like Agnes and Maria Goretti who went to their deaths defending it”. The Depth and Breadth of this issue for today’s families and youth can not be over emphasized enough. After presenting a program I worked on with my Church Religious Education Director, which I presented with great charity and as much delicacy as I could provide, but with full throttle force on the information and systemic societal problems as well as how to begin defending against them proactively to the parents of the CCD children, no students, I believe Satan and his devils attacked my family immediately after with a vengeance like I had never experienced before nor hope to again in my life time. It was only a few months later that I came upon Charlie and the posted repost of his 2014 vision of the devils being let out upon the world to seek out the “overtly pious” that I had my confirmation. I watched the trailer for YOU: and the hour long video by Jason Evert, it sounds like a very good resource…But I did not hear a price, so this can be a problem for the small parish, the already financially stressed parochial school, and certainly the average budget of most families. I believe God himself provided instruction for parents on parenting in the Old Testament. It really does apply to today, even with the contemporary pressure of societal standards entrenching into the domestic church. The books of Deuteronomy, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon, are the major sections. And because not every parent will understand the passages and want to know how to explain them to their child, the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible Booklet/Guide is good for this. How I wish I could have back the time over to do with my sons, and I am someone who thought I had done well, HA! I weep as Jesus instructed the women along the road to Calvary to weep. I can not go back in time, but I hope these might benefit any parent here or grandparent with influence on their grandchildren. ♥†♥

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  15. goldensun says:

    Thank you for this! My oldest child is a little young for kindergarten and has already completed two years of preschool, so I’ll be keeping him home this school year. I am discerning homeschooling for the long term. Sex education and the corrosive culture are major issues, as this article explains, but I also have so little regard for the prevailing philosophies regarding education in this country and I truly believe I could do better even though I have no training in this area.

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    • Doug says:

      Surprisingly, I hear to takes little effort to learn how to home school. I have heard that parents very quickly learn the material that they teach. You give yourself a better education along the way. 😊

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      • lambzie37 says:

        It may only take a little effort to learn how to home school but actually doing takes a lot of effort, determination and sheer grit, at least from what I hear. I also hear and see though that the results are more than worth the effort. My hat is off to those who managed to do it. I regret that I did not more seriously consider doing it myself. I think I always felt I was safe sending them to Catholic schools. The jury is still out on the results as far as my kids are age are concerned. They are good kids but two are far from their faith while the other one is practicing hers. We only get one shot at raising our kids as Doug says so make it a good one. It may seem like it requires more than you are capable of when they are young. I guarantee you it will take more than you are capable of once they are grown up!

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        • lambzie37 says:

          Two souls out of purgatory, yahoo!

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        • goldensun says:

          Thank you for the advice. I do enjoy learning along with my kids and I’m now conversant in dinosaurs, thanks to my 4-year-old. I’m just taking it one step at a time. I did well going to public schools, but the world has changed so much so fast since I was a kid. We are also facing a move across the country over the coming year. I figure as long as I keep everyone alive, fed, and safe, I’m ahead of the game. 🙂

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  16. Gord says:

    After reading the convincing points presented both for and against the new Vatican Sex Education Program, the actual harmful outcomes inflicted by the Catholic school system in Canada on the faith of our youth leaves me to take very seriously the concerns that Susan presents in her article. Years ago, circumstances compelled us to remove our youngest from the system and homeschool her. Loveconquers, you do not have to be an expert. Homeschooling associations typically have a Christian orientation, are a source of mutual support, and host conferences with practical, informative speakers, a wide range of curriculum providers, and educational materials.

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  17. YongDuk says:

    Joj et al.

    One of the things that needs be remembered is that Human Beings have an inherent latency period in regards to their sexuality. Breaking that, pre-empting that, not being sensitive to that–even in the wrong introduction of materials, despite what modern progressive clinical psychologists might contend–is detrimental to God’s plan in our psychological pre- and peri-pubescent development, when other skills and habits are meant to be fostered and honed such that when the Child reaches puberty and beyond, he or she will have laid the groundwork, etc.

    In a good and certain sense, this is why it indeed does lie first and foremost to the Parents, who know their own Children’s particular point of development.

    Again, I believe the introduction of — the premature introduction of — images and too intimate of knowledge is sad and dangerous. That in no way does not preclude the education of human sexuality.

    Now, that having been said, the question is the Age of the Target Audience in this conversation.

    It has long been seen and noted that Children are for the most part reaching puberty sooner than a Generation ago. So the hard and fast rules of Parents hearing about “Sex Ed” in Schools at younger ages have to be careful about using their standards from when they grew up. That is not saying I am saying go out and teach “Sex Ed” to younger children. I am saying Parents need to be aware of physiological trends and not be reaction.

    Oh, why do I start writing before I eat my dinner and thus wane and recall my food is growing cold?

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  18. ykc says:

    I went to sleep last night thinking about the many different opinions regarding this issue. So many faithful hearts commenting, yet we are not in full agreement with one another as to how to teach the masses. Jesus knew what He was doing when He gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter!

    Years ago I read something that very simply explained why we needed Holy Mother Church to help us interpret the Bible. It went something like this…Read the following sentence without any inflection/emphasis on any individual word. “I didn’t say you stole the money.” Now read it again with emphasis on the word “I”; Next put emphasis on “didn’t “, as in “I DIDN’T say you stole the money.” Read it again as, “I didn’t SAY you stole the money.” Continue the pattern of moving the emphasis to the next word. You can see how the meaning of the sentence changes each time. If we don’t know the original context or intent of the writer, we can make it mean whatever we want.

    Each one of us has had an experience(s) in our lifetime that has helped form our opinion regarding the best way to teach (our) children about sexuality. We are coming from many different backgrounds and experiences. Yet we all have the same goal in mind. We want our youth to be pure and chaste.

    We must remember that the the enemy has the opposite goal in mind! He has particularly gone after the youth in the past 100 years. He has stepped up his game enormously in the last 10-20 years! Today’s youth are BOMBARDED with sex constantly!! I cannot stress this enough! Satan is laughing all the way to the bank!

    It’s very easy to fall into the trap of patting ourselves on the back for doing everything “right” and how well our children are turning out, while subconsciously (or consciously) criticizing our neighbor’s parenting. Whose kids do you think the satan is going to attack harder?! He wants the most holy ones! He already has the others on the road to hell. (By the way, lest you think I am criticizing anyone, I speak from painful experience on this.)

    Are we not our brother’s keeper? Are we not responsible for ALL those God puts into our lives to bring to Him? What about the average Catholic high school student whose parents don’t even attend mass regularly, if at all? MANY of those kids are already having sex, addicted to pornography, are homosexual or at least confused about their sexual identity! They see nothing wrong with their lifestyle and often neither do their parents. How do we reach them? We must reach them where they are, in order to bring them to purity and chastity. The satan is working overtime. And so must we.

    “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.”

    I call these families ” Clueless Catholics”. My husband and I could have been President of the Clueless Catholic Club the first 10 years of our marriage. But God, in His great mercy, put many faithful Catholics into our lives over the years to reach us…where we were. We knew The Church taught using artificial contraception was wrong, but we didn’t understand why. More importantly, we didn’t WANT to know why. Our priest told us that “God said to go forth and multiply, he didn’t say how many!” That worked for us! We had three little boys, we didn’t need anymore kids. Then I met a neighbor with 8 kids that taught NFP. Over one summer at the neighborhood pool, she very gently and patiently brought me to the truth. Unfortunately I was never able to carry another baby to term after that. Our boys learned about abortion at a young age as we became involved in the prolife movement. Five years later, we adopted a child and they learned first hand about teenage pregnancy. I’m not able to teach my adopted daughter (age 11) about sexuality in the same way we taught our boys. Her story isn’t one of a married mom and dad who created life from their love. Her story is a teenager who had sex with the boyfriend of the moment and got pregnant. But we do tell her that God’s plan was ALWAYS for her to be our daughter. And He doesn’t make mistakes.

    My (very long! Sorry!) point is that we must also consider the average Catholic school student, not just those who have been blessed to be born into families that “get it”. Jesus came to save all of us. We must help Him find all of His sheep, wherever they may be. As I have said in other posts when this curriculum was first being discussed, I don’t have the answers. I have lots of questions. I just know that we can’t pretend that the youth of today are the same as they were when we were growing up. It’s a TOTALLY different world. Toto, we’re not in Kansas anymore…

    St. Michael, the Archangel, protect us.

    That said, perhaps all of the discussion about this curriculum is entirely a moot point, much like the election. 😳😳😳😳 Charlie, what are your thoughts about how it all plays out after the rescue?!

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    • charliej373 says:

      Truly GREAT example sentence, ykc. It struck home because I learned early I had to write for all – and people’s perceptions vary a lot.

      As for after the Rescue, all will be renewed. But we are NOT to flag in our efforts to do the good we can right now. Nothing is lost in God’s economy. I am glad to see serious, faithful people bringing their different perspectives to bear, trying to find a way forward…or ways forward. I like your point that one size does NOT fit all, as well.

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      • ykc says:

        Charlie, I could write a book on the pain and agony I endured while fighting for chastity issues at my sons’ Catholic high school and seemed to get nowhere. I was up against a brick wall for 10 years. I never gave up, nor did the satan! My family was under constant attack. I was made to look like a religious nutcase, which doesn’t bother me in the least. But watching him pull my boys into his lair ever so subtly was excruciating. Indeed, all of those kids.

        Satan is getting to all of our youth today through sex in one way or another. It’s not always just about the sexual act, although that is certainly prevalent. It’s also the casual attitude, the revealing clothes, the dancing, the TV shows, the movies, it’s in not being strong enough to avoid the near occasion of sin. And the kids that don’t have parents who are well formed in their faith are almost destined to drown unless we fight for them!

        “Never, ever, give up!” Coach Jim Valvano, NCSU, during his fight against cancer.

        “All will be renewed.” Thank you for those comforting words. I needed to hear that.

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        • janet says:

          I know that feeling, ykc. When my then 7 year old was to have sex education in her primary school I played merry hell. The rest of the parents looked at me as if I had gone mad. I don’t think the majority of those Catholic parents objected.

          My mother couldn’t bring herself to tell me anything about sex.. but to be honest I would have been too embarrassed if she had. She wasn’t a practicing Catholic but thankfully brought us up to know right from wrong.

          My opinion…no sex education for our young. Parents should explain about body changes when it’s age appropriate. Most importantly.. keep an eye on them. Never leave them alone with a phone or laptop. It’s impossible to safeguard their eyes from all the images in the shopping centres, billboards, buses etc.

          You’ll know when it’s time to talk to them about the “birds and the bees” Parents just know…

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          • charliej373 says:

            My poor mother tried to tell me about it. she was so awkward…She told me about how the woman is like the ground and the man plants the seed in her and then a baby grows. I was more confused after she talked to me than before – and mainly I was glad I didn’t plan to ever be a farmer.

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          • janet says:

            Charlie I had to laugh at your Mother’s explanation…but it was good nevertheless. After all Adam was made from the earth.

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          • Patricia says:

            Janet and ykc,
            So much of what you have written, I have lived also. I went from being a non-practicing Catholic to one via Medjugorje. From fighting sex ed to not caring about what was said about me, the road has been interesting. I lost the battle with my children regarding the Catholic viewpoint, but I continue to pray for them at every Mass and Rosary. So as a former non-practicing whatever, to a clueless catholic, to a whole hearted and grateful to be a practicing catholic, I understand the fight. I so look forward for “our team” to win one which will be the one to put us over the line to victory.

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          • janet says:

            I had to walk out of the hall when my grandchildren’s head teacher gave a presentation on the sex ed they were to get. I was squirming in my seat it was so explicit.. and this was aimed at 7-9 year olds. There were only 2 of us that objected to that disgusting video. After telling him what i thought I walked out. The following day my daughter took her kids out of the school.

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          • janet says:

            “I understand the fight. I so look forward for “our team” to win one which will be the one to put us over the line to victory.”

            Not long to go Patricia. Praise the Lord!

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          • lambzie37 says:

            Go team TNRS! Rah Rah Rah!

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        • Mick says:

          Jimmy V was amazing. That “never give up” speech is one of the most inspirational that I have ever heard. God rest his soul.

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          • ykc says:

            Yes, Mick, Jimmy V is certainly an icon in NC! We were in the same parish. He was always there with his family. His girls went the Catholic high school (when it was a REAL Catholic school). And he lives on through the Jimmy V Foundation. I am sure they do much for cancer research that is noble and good. Unfortunately because of the Susan G.Komen/Planned Parenthood association, I am always concerned about a possible link between any cancer research and PP. I make it a rule to not donate to any cancer research organizations. There are plenty of other good causes that need my money that I know have no link to PP.

            “Never, ever, give up!” As Charlie said, “All will be renewed.”

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  19. jlynnbyrd says:

    That is funny and had me laughing.

    Like

  20. janet says:

    I’ve just been informed that the film ‘love & other Drugs’ was included in the Vatican sex ed programme. I thought we were just discussing the slides and hadn’t seen any mention of the film. If what I’ve read is correct and the film is really quite explicit then this changes everything. I am definitely now of the opinion that they have gone too far. So I have an apology to make to those I disagreed with. I stand corrected!

    My apologies also to Lifesite News for accusing them of sensationalism regarding this article. 😕 😱

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